The McCanns left at around 8.30. Gerry checked at around 9pm..apparently kids were all ok, he went to loo, had a chat with someone then went back to table (around 9.25). Oldfield checked kids at 9.30, but only saw twins, never thought to check Maddie was there. Quiet so assumed everything was fine. Kate checked kids at 10pm and realised Maddie was missing.

Gerry was only one to actually see Madeline between them leaving the apartment and Kate discovering she was gone.

And before they left for the restaurant when was the last time anyone saw Maddie besides Gerry and Kate?

McCann did not even look for Maddie on night one ,and went to bed at 3 o,clock http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YWCV...Grvgvn5nkiY6fA

The timeline they wrote BEFORE they rang the police had more crossings out than a dyslexics exam paper

From memory, I dont know. I *think* about 5 ish when she left the childcare facilities but I am not sure

However, there was a statement at one time about one of their friends visiting the apartment when Kate was bathing the kids/herself as it has been said she was in a towel, then was changed to fully dressed. That seems to have disappeared now though. Considering the bloke who it was has been written out of the new timeline entirely :S

I can see I am gong to get obsessed with this again now. I wish they hadnt done the crimewatch thing as it drove me crazy last time I was searching everything :laugh:

Not had time to read it all but for another perspective this site gives rebuttals of various rumours/reports about the case, seems to be quite a lot of stuff on the sniffer dogs

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks...40/Main%20Page

According to mcCanns (NOT POLICE) the last person to se her was David Payne, he claimed he stayed in 5a for 30 minutes,Kate says it was 30 seconds

One the videos which shows the body language of the McCanns http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFzRFrIfv2M

Yeah, and the main source they use is media stories :D

Misleading seems to crop up a lot on the rebuttals. Though if you actually read them, seems much of what they are trying to debunk is actually correct.

The dogs stuff...most the 'disproving' stuff is just silly. It was never claimed that the dogs findings were backed up with DNA evidence as far a I am aware..if it was, the McCanns would have been arrested on the spot. So to say the dogs findings story is false because there wasnt the DNA to back it up..hardly takes away from the fact that the dogs found something in there..the video of such is found in many places on the internet.

The explanations appear to be all smoke an mirrors tbh

and what time was that at?

Thanks for posting this.

Thanks, Chuff. That's a real eye opener. Gerry was fidgeting lot when asked about giving Maddie sleeping pills. That suggests lying to me.

and you think the truth will come out on here do you.
lets keep going over it again again from one opinion to the the next without getting any nearing to the truth.
accusation after accusation.
still if it makes the day go quicker.

I don't see the harm in discussing it, sheriff. The case is a real mystery and everyone wants to know what happened that night.

The stuff about the dogs is definitely worth a read.

I will check

What "Mother" could even think ,never mind put into print about her 3 years old childs genitals ?


http://frommybigdesk.blogspot.co.uk/...anns-book.html

No one here is saying that what they post is the truth, they are posting opinions on this topic that's all, if it's bothering you so much just don't enter the thread.

All in here http://steelmagnolia-steelmagnolia.b...ent-5a-to.html

The part about the sniffer dogs is fascinating. It certainly suggests accidental death. :shocked:

I think the McCanns know more that they're letting on about what happened.

Thank you :love:

That's what I thought as well. I thought that was the main reason most families flocked to Spain, because it's all so family friendly. I mean I've seen most people stay out late with their kids when they're on holiday anyway, even if they are toddlers.

I suppose that's true. But the fact still remains that they did regular checks and they were less than a hundred metres away from the apartment. It's not as if they left the compound for a night on the town. They were still very close by, not as close by as they should have been mind, but still very close.

None of that takes away from the fact that both dogs alerted to various places/things in the apartment though. No, there wasnt forensic evidence to back them up..dont think it was ever claimed that there was (though I have heard that blood that could be Madeleines was found ii the hire car, but they couldnt be sure as only 15 or the 19 something or others matched..not sure how valid that is) but to totally discount the whole dog thing based on this is ridiculous.