wait you mean terrorism isn't just a brown person killing people?????? :o :o :o

It's clear to me, he went to a gay venue ergo he was targeting gays.
If it had been a Jewish venue it would instantly be seen (quite rightly) as antisemitic, so why can this not be stated as a homophobic terrorist attack?

I don't believe those outside the communities affected by prejudice can know, they can empathise and be repulsed but can't fully understand.

Aside from the fact he targeted a gay club and the interview with his father:

I'm not sure how much more clear it needs to be that the motivation for this attack was homophobic...

Hasn't his Dad made comments about how 'god will deal with the homosexuals'?

..I think that CeeCee associated it well with 'Black Lives Matter'...these hate killings couldn't have happened to anyone, like they were saying in the vid..'it could have been any of us..'..but no, they could have only happened to the LGBT community because that was the only target of his hate and terrorism..but they just didn't hear Owen's words or acknowledge them...all of the other factors that were discussed also came into play..(which he acknowledged ..)..but they couldn't take a moment for that one thing, which was the most important fact of all...

Spot on Kizzy :clap1:

Said it better than what I was going too, their behaviour was abhorrent. Telling him he couldn't have ownership of a tragedy just because he's gay as well. It was a farce from the beginning and he did right getting out of it.

This happened miles away from me. I have friend of friends that were killed. It's a very sad day in Orlando.

Nicole :(

Nicole :( I'm so sorry

I know apologizing doesn't do anything but I'm genuinely so sorry, Nicole. My thoughts have been with Orlando and the victims and their families all day :sad:

Nicole :hug:

Nicole :love: :hug:

I dont see how that matters. If he says he was an ISIS terrorist then he was. Their aim is to recruit and inspire and they have achieved their aim.

I thought Owen behaved like a petulant self serving brat. Pretty much how I imagined left wing Guardian journalists to be actually.

He's not a journalist

Hope all's good :love:

I was watching a Disney scoper earlier and he was saying how everyone in Orlando is rallying around in support with long lines to donate blood and stuff which is nice to hear

So... self-hatred to its extreme I guess?

The whole thing is just another terrifying example of just how easy it is to kill people on a mass scale. Arguing about the gun laws is completely relevant because the shooting was committed in a country where it is a lot easier to get hold of guns. The Paris attacks were essentially an attack on France rather than a specific demographic of people but the fact remains it is still a terror attack. But one psychopath being an ISIS supporter and claiming he did it for ISIS does not make this an ISIS attack. As others have said, they will take the credit because above all else, it makes them an even more terrifying entity to the rest of the world.
As a gay man it saddens and actually really scares me that an attack on this scale has happened to the community that I am a part of and that I think is where Owen was coming from. I've been the victim of homophobic abuse and attacks before (physical violence, insults etc) and was left feeling shocked and so so saddened as the realisation that there are people out there that think that because of your sexuality you deserve to suffer - or, in this case, die actually hits you in retrospect.

Interesting how some in the gay community are upset that the topic is being diverted to gun control and Trump which are far easier to discuss than some in Islam hating gays. I found another interview of an angry gay journalist from the UK on the BBC complaining about this. I found it really rich how they twist what he says at the 6:40 mark. They were saying that he was complaining about how America wasn't discussing what needed to be discussed. Actually he was complaining about how the BBC was ignoring the issue!

...awww Nicole..:hug:..I'm so sorry for the loss of your friends and those who were part of their lives....

It isn't the same though, a targeted pre planned act of international terrorism is different to domestic terrorism regardless of whether they are carried out in the name of the same extremist faction.

If the guy was a regular at the club, then it begins to take on the same profile as that previous attack by the married couple that attacked a place well known to them

I agree with Shaun that it stemmed from self loathing.

Yes it looks that way