It's not 'opinion' that it is wrong, the justice system in the UK supports that by not using capital punishment

YOU think we are wrong,I don't,Do you remember James Bulger?read that story (The Crime Library one)it is more accurate,you wont get ALL the facts as they were kept away from the press as it was so horrific!!then come back and tell me they should not have been locked up for LIFE.

because the law says something dosent mean its right.

:joker: How ironic. Just because Jedward Fever says capital punishment should be used doesn't mean it's right! I think the law has a tad more credibility than a 14 year old don't you think?

i know it sounds harsh because they were 10 at the time but i think they should have been killed aswell,because if sick stuff like killing people is entering there head and then going through with it, what are they gonna be like when they get older? well you know what jon venables has turned into.

Good riddance!:wavey: Typical Y.M.S, arrogant idiots who can't handle women with any opinions of their own.

Thank you InOne but it doesn't work,risk assessment is discredited,I asked for 100% certainty it couldn't happen again,but do you believe risk assessment is 100% foolproof.

By the way,I am studying law so I may know a little bit.I already know enough to know risk assessment is discredited left,right and centre.

You clearly dont have a clue about crime and murder and what drives people to it.

People arent just born murderers, they dont just have a desire to kill that sticks with them for the rest of their lives.

How about we kill you? You're 14 but if killing people is coming into your head now, what are you gonna be like when you're older?

Is there really any need to get personal and bring 'forum politics' into this?

Opinion is obviously split down the middle on this subject, understandably so perhaps when you consider what an emotive subject we're talking about, but I don't see why it has to descend into name calling and petty arguing. That will just get the thread closed, which would be a shame because it's been a really interesting debate imo.

Just sick, ****ing sick.

yeah i aint saying killing 2 year olds am i? and i never said they were born murderers so get that out of your head.

The fact is I think I can safely say this,the law has failed many victims of abuse, if ever there comes a referendum in this country for capital punishment to be brought back for certain crimes, then I dare bet all I have that the vote for yes, would be in excess of 75% easily, and that sexual abuses of children would be one of the crimes the people would want it back for.

No, but you're still advocating killing someone.

You didnt say they were born murderers but if you dont think that then why do you think they killed Bulger? Do you think the desire to kill just suddenly popped into their head one day and it will never go away so they should just be hung?

i agree.

no they obviously had a bad childhood but still they are never gonna change when they kill 2 year olds imo.

This. Come on guys. Calm down. Take a deep breath. Say your opinion. Agree to disagree. There is no right or wrong.

according to inone there is.

I am being good :tongue: I know what you mean, don't want it to get locked either. But I think most have said what they needed to say and it's going round in circles, I'll admit I'm bad for biting though :bawling:

Well John Venables may be back in prison (not for murder though) but Robert Thompson has been free for 10 years and not killed anyone since. People do change from when they were 10.

Would you like a clue?
Thompson and Venables were torturing animals for a while before they killed James,the crime was premeditated and planned,Thompson had the sort of upbringing lots of kids have,an errant dad,mother an alcoholic,Venables on the other hand was in a two parent family and NOT the product of a dysfunctional family,I wanted them dead,but I had my reasons,in hindsight,they should have done 8 years where they did,then gone to a big boys prison and served life,what they did to James was barbaric,I wont go into detail,but I defy anyone to read his story and come out with a dry eye!!!And I will admit,that if I heard of their demise in anyway,I would give a silent cheer!so call me what you like,I really don't care.

Mary Bell also.

Actually I believe Venables came from a perfectly good background, and well we know what's happened with him. Thompson was the one with the unstable childhood and rehabiliation seems to have worked with him. Background very often has absolutely nothing to do with it in a lot of cases.

Yes Jon had a good background.

as far as we are aware robert thompson hasnt killed anyone,but i still think his got it in him.

tone it down a bit or I'll have to close the thread

Yeah, thats true, forgot about her.

No, Venables parents were seperated.

I dont dispute the barbarity of their actions but you cant kill someone for what they did as a 10 year old. Venables may not have had the worst upbringing but he did supposedly show genuine remorse for his actions, and the mindset of a ten year old will not be the mindset he has for life. When someone commits a crime at that age, it is easily possible to reform them.

Have they ever apologized to Denise and Ralph,NO they haven't,One of them even has a child!!!!

Yes that's what I thought, Venables had a very 'normal' upbringing and it was Thompson that had the harder time.

It just goes to show though that some people CAN be rehabilitated, especially if you catch them young enough. It seems that perhaps Thompson was a product of his upbringing but having his freedom taken away and the rehab he recieved have changed him as an adult, surely that is a good thing and shows that the system can work in some cases? I'm in no way condoning what he did, it was a horrible awful sickening thing, but if someone can be 'fixed' and they can go on to contribute to society surely that is better than just killing in the name of killing and not actually attempting to understand and fix these problems?

They knew exactly what they were doing,I will not be drawn into this as it's upsetting,but no one will persuade me that they didn't know what they were doing.:nono::nono:They killed for their own pleasure,simple as.

Err...surprise, surprise...maybe that's because they're not allowed to reveal their identities?

And if one of them has a child and hasn't murdered anyone since then maybe it just goes to show they have changed and the system does sometimes work, eh?

well im scared for that child.

When did I say they didn't? I'm just saying that Venables is reported to have shown genuine remorse, and that reform is possible, that's all.

Oh hear comes Mr know it all,you have it all wrong,but never mind,you usually do.:sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:i suppose we are now in for a night of jacks 'theories':sleep::sleep:

of course he said he was remorseful,lol,they were both clever little sods. he is in prison for child pornography!wonder if he is 'sorry' for that

Their identities ARE known to some.

ROFL, what the **** are you on, love? 'Mr Know it all'. Grow up. While the second part of my post was an opinion, the first is fact...how are they supposed to apologise when they are also supposed to keep their identities a secret? Come on, use your brain.

Calm down people, anymore insults or snide comments will be infracted.

Well obviously [talk about stating the obvious]...someone had to give them their new identities. But very few people. Only really the ones 'in the know', not thousands :sleep:

Their identities ARE known to some,and in any case have you never heard of video links?

Saying you're remorseful and showing that you're remorseful are two different things. I'm not going by what he said I'm going by the professional opinions of the experts who studied him afterwards. And they really weren't clever at all.