Find me one of my posts where I have bigged them up.

Bit of a difference between someone not believing their BS and writing books on how they have covered up the death of their own child.

I have to say.. I hate seeing all this venom directed towards the McCanns, it makes me very uncomfortable.

I'm not saying they were right to leave their children unattended, but they must have felt it was safe to do so, and I'm positive they never for a second thought their daughter would be snatched.

They have to now spend their lives with that on their conscience and without their daughter, and I cannot imagine how they feel every morning when they open their eyes :(

Well, of course they didn't. No one's saying they left them with knowledge someone would take them.

But not even thinking about the dangers of leaving your children unattended is bad in itself.

Agreed

this is how I feel!
people are just fanning the flames.

At my sisters wedding, I fully intended putting my daughter in her cot in our hotel room when she fell asleep and we were all going to take turns checking in her... As it turns out, she fell asleep in her pram and seemed ok, so I didn't bother... But I honestly wouldn't have thought I was putting her in any danger at all!

That's how I felt until this recent Crimewatch program, at which point I re-examined the cold hard facts and changed my viewpoint. It wouldn't have happened if they hadn't routinely left their children alone in an unlocked apartment at night time. For that much alone they ought to be at least accepting some level of blame, publicly, but they never have.

But would you have left the door unlocked?

No, of course not.. But somebody could have easily got in the window had they wanted to.. Obviously these things didn't even enter my mind until after maddie was taken..

I used to feel like this until I read more about the case. I even donated once to the Madeleine fund (only a fiver but still a donation)

In a locked hotel room, in a cot which I presume the child could not get out of themselves. I presume if you went ahead with leaving your child you'd have thought about how safe your child was, took it into consideration and made a decision.

Versus an unsecure apartment with 2 babies and 1 toddler able to roam around, out of sight with easy access to the street in the middle of the night.

The entire circumstances of the McCann's 5 nights away doesn't sound like they were very mindful and took any serious precautions. They even said themselves they only thought to check the children at regular intervals on that night because of what Maddie said at breakfast, the other nights they left for a couple of hours.

It's bad parenting however you look at it.

what do you what zee, an apology, that will make it all right will it?

I feel exactly the same I don't condone what they did, and I would never leave my belongings in an unlocked apartment never mind my children, but they did what they did and are suffering the consequences.

You don't think they regret that decision? God they must spend their days thinking "what if..." As I said I don't think what they did was right but I personally really really feel for them.

I never said they don't. I don't believe anyone can punish them more than they are being punished with the loss of a daughter.

I was referring to your comment about their actions at the time, there is no excuses for the decision they came to. No responsible parent would have reached the conclusion they did.

But there's no evidence that an abductor came in through the window. They could have potentially opened the window and passed Madeleine out through it, but if there was an abductor, they came in through the door. The police concluded that the window hadn't been tampered with.

I don't want anything, I'm just pointing out the undeniable truth that it is their fault that Madeleine McCann was alone and vulnerable and nobody else's fault. If they're guilty then they've taken the world for a ride, and if they're innocent they've certainly gone about it in the most unbelievably suspicious way. What concerned parent would refuse to answer police questions? What concerned parent would obstruct the police investigation into their daughter's disappearance?

Indeed. Even if you had been made a suspect at the time which was the excuse for not answering (it usually is a close family member in abduction cases..its really not uncommon to be a suspect) you would STILL do whatever it took to find your child. I would anyway :shrug:

No, but harping on about it isn't going to help anybody.. Everybody, including her parents just want some sort of closure on this horrible tragic case.

Who's harping on?

People are discussing the crimewatch, and all of the information surrounding the case including the facts brought up in the reconstruction.

If you don't like it, don't engage in it.

Well it seems to be the McCanns themselves who keep bringing it up,just sayin'

By holding yourself up for public scrutiny they or anyone cannot rightly expect the public not to pass comment on their personal view on the situation as it stood at the time.

Tbh though looking at the questions a lot of them are pretty loaded and seem purely concerned with Kate as a suspect rather than helping the search, things that she could easily innocently trip herself up over like:

6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?

11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?

16. What does 'we let her down' mean?

27. What was your behaviour that night?

38. At a certain point you stopped working, why?

etc. etc.

A lot of them are very vague and answering them wouldn't particularly help things, plus she was following the advice of her lawyer in not answering them

How on earth can you trip yourself up if you didnt do anything? :conf:

I dont see the problem with any of those questions either. Seem to be trying to understand her mindset more. I do remember thinking one of them as dodgy though when I read through them, as it pretty much asked if she killed her daughter. Pretty sure that was the final question

6. Why did you say from the start that Madeleine had been abducted?

That seems like a good question. It was mentioned in this thread that wouldn't someone's first thought be that the child had wandered off to try and find the missing parents. Rather than "they're taken her!"

11. Why did you go and warn your friends instead of shouting from the verandah?

Another good question. Although if her child was really missing without her knowledge, then I think shock can account for that.

Because a lot of them are so vague that things can be twisted, and a lot of them also seem to imply her guilt already

Because with such vague questions, anything you say can be twisted to mean anything and once you've said it there's no going back. Which would be why the lawyer advised her to not say anything.

On May 3 2007, around 22:00, when you entered the apartment, what did you see? What did you do? Where did you look? What did you touch?

First question. Any problem with that? No loaded, cant trip self up etc.

Many more like that too..still unanswered for some reason or another
List of the questions for those who dont know

But we all know the children were left in the apartment alone.. It's not right, but it happened...

Yes, it did. This thread is for discussing it and all of the details. I myself wasn't aware of Maddie's comments on the morning of the incident so have posted about it etc.

The case has been reopened and brought back into the public consciousness. If you don't want to discuss it, why are you in this thread? :conf:

Yes, thats not the only part of it though is it?

That said, the only facts are she was left alone and then she disappeared.

No evidence whatsoever of an abduction. No evidence of anything else.

as for the first question, I think as a mother if your child wasn't in her bed and in a foreign place, you'd know. I'm not a mother obviously, but she said the window was wide open and she just 'knew'. i think i'd have felt the same.

and the next one, shock maybe? I don't think its that much of a big deal. get all of her friends to help find madeline and call the police? what good would shouting from the veranda do? surely you would rather go and look + get all of your friends too?

But her lawyer probably told her that questions that rely on the presumption of guilt are not worth her answering, it's clear the intention of a lot of the questions is so that she will implicate herself, I'm not surprised she decided not to cooperate in an interrogation that she thinks should never have happened and is based on completely false premises

Of course the interrogation should have happened. In the huge majority of cases with an abduction, it turns out to be someone who knew the child rather than a stranger who took them. They/friends should have been the first suspects IMO. Then work from there :S

Edit. There is a chance I read your post wrong :laugh:

But I think there are better ways of doing that. Clarifying all of the details with them rather than phrasing questions to sound suspicious.

Asking her to go through exactly what happened from the moment she found Maddie missing until the police arrived is one thing, asking questions like "Why did you do this, instead of this?" is insinuating automatically that her actions were wrong and were wrong on purpose rather than due to shock or whatever.

Asking why she ran back to the restaurant is different to asking why not shout from the verandah instead.

It's also really unfair to assume how someone should act when under such pressure, suffering, guilt, and grief. It's impossible to say "well I'd do this", because until anyone walks a mile in those shoes (and I hope no one ever does), you have absolutely no idea where their heads must have been.

To be a formal suspect you need to have some level of evidence or grounds for suspicion surely though? I'm not saying there wasn't cause for questioning her, but like Marsh said, from her point of view being treated as though you're guilty, which a lot of the questions seem to imply, would just be seen as seriously rubbing salt into the wounds

The first question WAS that though. And it was still not answered.

I can sort of understand her refusing to answer ones that make her sound guilty.

Incidentally, I don't actually think Kate had anything to do with it. Its quite unfortunate that she acted in such a suspicious way.. :S

If a child of yours went missing would you get out and look for them?...

It's probably as MTVN said then, the lawyer advised to stay quiet because they were being interviewed as a suspect with no actual evidence to do it. But then, there is no substantial evidence for virtually any scenario.