Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 10707194)

Not dismiss them but I think it's fair to point out that they are a minority. Anti-Semitism rarely manifests itself in explicit anti-Jewish quotes but Corbyns associations and his world view have undoubtedly made it more mainstream in today's Labour party imo. Things like laying wreaths at the graves of Palestinian terrorists, sharing platforms with Hamas, expressing outrage at a clearly anti-Semitic mural being removed, the decrying of 'Zionist' influence in British politics - it all contributes to many Jewish people feeling uncomfortable and feeling under threat. Some of the testimonies from Jewish Labour members about the bullying they are now subject to within the party speaks volumes

I appreciate that anti-Semitism and anti-Israel are not the same thing but a lot of anti-Semitism now is coded in language against 'Zionism' and the 'Israel lobby'. I posted an example last night ranting about the influence of the Israel lobby which harks back to the classic anti-Semitic stereotype of Jews having too much money and too much power in the world

Originally Posted by the slim reaper (Post 10707274)

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10707233)

I wasn't romanticising the palestinians; I was just highlighting the conditions they are forced to endure, and showing that the other side of the discussion is or should actually be about freedom and rights, because they are an indisputably occupied country. I'd rather everyone be able to reach an agreement through dialogue, but I can't honestly say how the people of this country would react if, say, Germany invaded and occupied us tomorrow.

I'm not romanticising my compatriots by saying we'd be well within our rights to form a militia to fight against them, but to the Germans we'd also be terrorists. Those are the distinctions between an occupier and the occupied.

England is one of the countries that should be able to have an honest discussion about such issues because of our past of just carving up and redrawing maps has contributed to so many deaths/wars over the years, that we still see to this day.

There are no peoples that are inherently "better or worse" than another set of people, yet the distinction with this whole discussion seems to rest on which country currently holds all the power.

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...jewish-people/

It reads:

Corbyn organised the Apr. 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march
EDM3933 7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism
EDM634, 11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier
EDM1124, 6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport
EDM742, 28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day
EDM1233 30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism
11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack
EDM1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea
EDM123 26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues
EDM298, 16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year
EDM461, 21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippa in French Schools
EDM717, 26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice
EDM1613, 8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme
EDM1699, 11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine
EDM482, 12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM343, 16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London
EDM1343, 11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM1774, 8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust
EDM1267, 16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks
EDM2414, 26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust
EDM2705, 10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street
EDM271, 14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered
EDM153, 12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944
EDM2350, 27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust
EDM173, 8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism
EDM461, 14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted
EDM605, 27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses
EDM917 26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet
EDM1175 24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust
EDM337, 2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran
EDM850 9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism
EDM891: 22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK
EDM908 27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution
EDM1360, 27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’
EDM1527, 3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer
EDM2870, 14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol
EDM2866, 14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania
EDM2899, 20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse
EDM168, 12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland
EDM 195 13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule
EDM 1133 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport
1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism
EDM 932 9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education
EDM 165 22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London
Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed
18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemiUsm
9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street
3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20 new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party
Corbyn has already received extensive support from Orthodox Jewish leaders. Thirty-four leading rabbis signed a letter praising Labour’s “respected leader” and describing attacks on him as “irresponsible”. The letter was attacked as a fake by Corbyn’s critics, who were later forced to withdraw the claim when evidence was revealed by the SKWAWKBOX that they were aware of its authenticity.

A letter by Jewish citizens published by the Sunday Times was similarly attacked.



Pretty clear that if you're always standing up for the oppressed, eventually you'll make enemies on all sides.

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10707354)

Excellent post thank you so much, I intend to screenshot this for future reference.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10707358)

See the dates on those, then lets have a little peak at what Boris was up to in 2008

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/mayo...r-6630340.html



Still, I fear what will happen if I have to live under a Corbyn government.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10707380)

The only good thing about this election is that it gives us a breather from Brexit newswise

shower of useless numpties, the lot of them

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10707350)

I'd say you've contradicted yourself here, initially you state there is rarely direct quotes that represent an antisemetismic view, and then you speak of classic tropes of the Jewish having too much money and power.

What is wrong with talking... Is diplomacy a dying art in favor of shoot someone in the back and ask questions later?
I WANT a leader of a free world to speak to all people's, acknowledge all grieviences and respect all people equally. To negotiate peace and not engage in a wholly reactionary manner.

As said the voices of Jewish Labour campaigners who support corbyn as well as respected Jewish academics who speak out regularly in his defence are being ignored and sidelined, to me THAT smacks of antisemitism. Why are they being marginalised due to not adhering to the anti Corbyn rally cry?

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10707233)

I wasn't romanticising the palestinians; I was just highlighting the conditions they are forced to endure, and showing that the other side of the discussion is or should actually be about freedom and rights, because they are an indisputably occupied country. I'd rather everyone be able to reach an agreement through dialogue, but I can't honestly say how the people of this country would react if, say, Germany invaded and occupied us tomorrow.

I'm not romanticising my compatriots by saying we'd be well within our rights to form a militia to fight against them, but to the Germans we'd also be terrorists. Those are the distinctions between an occupier and the occupied.

England is one of the countries that should be able to have an honest discussion about such issues because of our past of just carving up and redrawing maps has contributed to so many deaths/wars over the years, that we still see to this day.

There are no peoples that are inherently "better or worse" than another set of people, yet the distinction with this whole discussion seems to rest on which country currently holds all the power.

https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org...jewish-people/

It reads:

Corbyn organised the Apr. 1977 defence of Jewish populated Wood Green from a Neo-Nazi march
EDM3933 7 Nov. 1990: Corbyn signs motion condemning the rise of antisemitism
EDM634, 11 Apr. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion condemning David Irving for being a Holocaust Denier
EDM1124, 6 Nov. 2000: Jeremy Corbyn praised the ‘British Schindler’, Bill Barazetti, for his WW2 kindertransport
EDM742, 28 Jan. 2002: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion praising football clubs for commemorating Holocaust Day
EDM1233 30 Apr. 2002: Corbyn was a primary sponsor on a motion condemning antisemitism
11 May 2002: Jeremy led a clean up of Finsbury Park Synagogue after an anti-Semitic attack
EDM1691, 23 July 2002: Corbyn condemned attacks on a synagogue in Swansea
EDM123 26 Nov. 2003: Corbyn officially condemns attacks on 2 Istanbul synagogues
EDM298, 16 Dec. 2003: Jeremy Corbyn signs motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
2004: Jeremy condemned news that anti-Semitic hate crimes had risen for yet another year
EDM461, 21 Jan. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the French government’s moves to ban the Jewish Kippa in French Schools
EDM717, 26 Feb. 2004: Jeremy signed a motion praising Simon Wiesenthal for bringing Nazi perpetrators of the Holocaust to justice
EDM1613, 8 Sept. 2004: Corbyn co-sponsored a bill expressing fears for the future of the United Synagogue Pension Scheme
EDM1699, 11 Oct. 2004: Jeremy Corbyn condemned arbitrary attacks on civilians in Israel and Palestine
EDM482, 12 Jan. 2005: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM343, 16 June 2005: Jeremy condemned the desecration of a Jewish cemetery in east London
EDM1343, 11 Jan. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion commemorating International Holocaust Day
EDM1774, 8 Mar. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn led condemnations of an Iranian Magazine soliciting cartoons about the Holocaust
EDM1267, 16 Apr. 2006: Jeremy Corbyn condemned Bryan Ferry for anti-Semitic remarks
EDM2414, 26 June 2006: Jeremy Corbyn praised British war veterans for their efforts to combat the Holocaust
EDM2705, 10 Oct. 2006: Jeremy signed a motion marking the 70th anniversary of Cable Street
EDM271, 14 Nov. 2007: Jeremy co-sponsored a motion lamenting the poverty and social exclusion East London Jews suffered
EDM153, 12 May 2008: Corbyn praised the efforts of the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto during the uprising of 1944
EDM2350, 27 Oct 2008: Jeremy Corbyn signs a motion marking the 70th anniversary of the horrors of the holocaust
EDM173, 8 Dec. 2008: Jeremy condemned the Press Complaints Commission for refusing to sanction The Times for antisemitism
EDM461, 14 Jan. 2009: Jeremy Corbyn condemned a wave of recent anti-Semitic incidents targeted
EDM605, 27 Jan. 2009: Corbyn signed John Mann’s motion condemning antisemitism on university campuses
EDM917 26 Feb. 2009: Jeremy signs a motion condemning antisemitism on the internet
EDM1175 24 Mar. 2009: Corbyn signs a motion praising the heroism of British Jews during Holocaust
EDM337, 2 Dec. 2009: Jeremy Condemned Iran’s treatment of Jewish minorities in Iran
EDM850 9 Feb. 2010: Jeremy joins in calls for Facebook to do more to fight antisemitism
EDM891: 22 Feb 2010: Corbyn co-sponsors a motion calling for Yemen’s Jews to be given refugee status to the UK
EDM908 27 Oct. 2010: Corbyn praises work of late Israeli PM in his pursuit of a 2 state solution
EDM1360, 27 Jan. 2011: Corbyn co-sponsored a motion praising the ‘never again for anyone initiative’
EDM1527, 3 Mar. 2011: Corbyn backed Ian Paisley’s motion condemning the anti-Semitic remarks of Dior’s lead fashion designer
EDM2870, 14 Mar. 2012: Jeremy Corbyn condemned the sale of Nazi memorabilia at an auction in Bristol
EDM2866, 14 Mar 2012: Jeremy Corbyn co-sponsored a bill condemning the rise of antisemitism in Lithuania
EDM2899, 20 Mar. 2012, Jeremy Corbyn condemned a terrorist attack on a Jewish school in Toulouse
EDM168, 12 June 2012, Jeremy co-sponsored a motion condemning anti-Semitic attacks during EURO 2012 in Poland
EDM 195 13 June 2012: Jeremy attacks BBC for cutting Jewish programmes from Its schedule
EDM 1133 1 Mar 2013: Corbyn joins a chorus of calls condemning antisemitism In sport
1 Oct. 2013: Corbyn was one of the few MPs who defended Ralph Miliband from Daily Mail antisemitism
EDM 932 9 Jan 2014: Jeremy praises Holocaust Memorial’s work on antisemitism education
EDM 165 22 June 2015: Jeremy condemns a Neo-Nazi rally planned for a Jewish area of London
Sat 4 July 2015: Jeremy co-planned a counter-fascist demo in defence of Jewish residents at Golders Green. The march was re-routed
18 Nov. 2015, Corbyn used one of his first PMQs to challenge Cameron to do more on antisemiUsm
9 Oct 2016: Corbyn, close to tears, leads commemoration of the Battle of Cable Street
3 Dec. 2016: Corbyn visits Terezin Concentration Camp to commemorate Holocaust victims
In 2017-19 Jeremy introduced 20 new measures to combat antisemitism in the Labour Party
Corbyn has already received extensive support from Orthodox Jewish leaders. Thirty-four leading rabbis signed a letter praising Labour’s “respected leader” and describing attacks on him as “irresponsible”. The letter was attacked as a fake by Corbyn’s critics, who were later forced to withdraw the claim when evidence was revealed by the SKWAWKBOX that they were aware of its authenticity.

A letter by Jewish citizens published by the Sunday Times was similarly attacked.



Pretty clear that if you're always standing up for the oppressed, eventually you'll make enemies on all sides.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 10707420)

Yes but those classic tropes are coded in different language is my point. Also Jezza doesn't speak to all peoples - he's only ever been interested in associating with one side

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 10707420)

Yes but those classic tropes are coded in different language is my point. Also Jezza doesn't speak to all peoples - he's only ever been interested in associating with one side

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10707430)

Could you elaborate?
You mean he supports Palestinians not israeli occupation?

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10707439)

That's just not true it's a widely known antisemitic trope that the Jewish control the banks those types of comments are not coded in any way :/
I'm sorry I don't agree that he only talks to one side that's nonsense what would be the point of that? Objecting to an MP that is able to perform as a facilitator or mediator is for me doing his job well.
Otherwise what's the solution?.. these groups carry on indefinately with no compromise, just mindless violence and heavy handed recourse.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 10707446)

If you 'talk to all sides' then you surely should engage with the Israeli side as well but he doesn't. Just as he always associated with hardline Republicans in Ireland but wouldn't be seen dead with unionists.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10707209)

It's easy to focus on whispers about an enemy then confronting an issue in your backyard. There was a quote that Reaper posted recently from a Rabbi which basically said that focusing on the left allows far right extremism, that can and has affected jews, to thrive.

If there is actual evidence of Corbyn being anti-semitic then crucify him for it but at the moment, it just seems like it's the machine in action, the same machine that convinced people to vote against their own interests, that's slowly making out that the NHS is a failing industry in order to sow seeds for privatisation etc.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10707173)

The fact that 87% consider him an anti-semite is proof of the value of marketing. Are we then to dismiss Jews that actually support Corbyn and also the Jews that are running in the election for the labour party? Are they not real Jews?

Has anyone got actual quotes from Corbyn that prove him to be anti semitic, or is it just whispers? I could find multiple quotes from Johnson that reveal his actual racism. I agree wholeheartedly that Corbyn didn't deal with the issues in the labour party particularly well, but they are at least addressing them, which is more than you can say for the party leading in the polls, that those same 87% will have no trouble voting for.

No one is blameless, but it's intellectually dishonest to pretend that only labour have their issues.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 10707446)

If you 'talk to all sides' then you surely should engage with the Israeli side as well but he doesn't. Just as he always associated with hardline Republicans in Ireland but wouldn't be seen dead with Unionists



You missed my point - I was saying that no one on the left actually says that but they instead talk about the 'Israel/Jewish lobby' or 'Zionist influence' to push that well known trope in a way that doesn't sound anti-Semitic

The less subtle ones do just flat out rant about the Rothschilds tbf which is slightly less coded

Or, y'know, put up murals like this - which Corbyn was outraged was removed

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...28mural%29.jpg

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10707478)

A former Labour MP has confirmed he will run as an independent in the general election after the party withdrew its support for him after he backed protesters in an LGBT teaching row.
The Guardian

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10707515)

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10707518)

that's got to be a first in a GE?

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10707518)

that's got to be a first in a GE?

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10707524)

A man that doesn't understand his own deal. Let's imagine this was a speech by corbyn, how do you think the press would react to this absolute nonsense?

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10707531)

I get all this , but really you are going by what people say who have the similar views as you ,and will never talk about him favourably , the same vise versa that is why I don't take much notice of tweets etc, they all put their own interpretations on things, there is so much negativity about any party if you search for it, not all of it accurate, so for me its all about likability,intent and body language and of course live footage.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10707533)

He's speaking for himself, Kaz. If you watch this and think he's likable with good body language, then it's good that he's met your voting requirements. What he's saying is not true, but he has good intent, I guess? :shrug:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10707534)

I will watch it, I admit I skipped it as I thought it was just another tweeter bashing him, I was just really talking about all the tweets etc out there ,that people think will persuade others to their way of thinking , tbh the main thing that puts me right off Labour is an intense dislike for Corbyn.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10707524)

A man that doesn't understand his own deal. Let's imagine this was a speech by corbyn, how do you think the press would react to this absolute nonsense?

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10707555)

For Slim

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10707557)

You believe a man that has a one way relationship with the truth?

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10707559)

Trump has said "everything will be on the table" if we want a deal. At that point we'll be the only major country without a trade deal with it's nearest trading partners. He'll be absolutely desperate to present something to the people.