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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10490628)

^ not a happy bunch are they :laugh:

at least us remainers looked more cheerful tho we are meant to be the losers

Sure a Angry Bunch
All the MP's long gone
they all went after the Vote
they never work that late on a Friday.

so was Tommy Robinson a speaker at that demo? :skull:
not a good idea to mix brexit with far right figures
not a good look

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10490631)

Sure a Angry Bunch
All the MP's long gone
they all went after the Vote
they never work that late on a Friday.

no Boris or Moggy?
would they ever pass such a chance at self-promotion? :omgno:

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10490628)

^ not a happy bunch are they :laugh:

at least us remainers looked more cheerful tho we are meant to be the losers

You wouldn’t be happy if the people in charge were trying to disregard your side if you won either lbr :laugh:

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/03...3797409551.jpg

Banksy

[on display at Bristol Museum & Art Gallery in time for March 29 'to mark Brexit day' ]

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10490624)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D212EWIWsAAT6yk.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D213dmUWwAA_hur.jpg

[MP Mark Francois tells Brexit demonstration outside Parliament
“there is a fighting chance that if we hold our nerve in two weeks this country will be free”]
Peston Tweet

So much Gammon in this picture I’ve got cholesterol problems now just from looking at it

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10490651)

So much Gammon in this picture I’ve got cholesterol problems now just from looking at it

:skull: got a problem with white people have you? lucky for you, your problem isn't with any other race because insults like that wouldn't be acceptable now would they and you would be one of the first screeching about it....hypocrisy of the highest order

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10490658)

I’m white sweetie

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10485179)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D2V53CqX4AEwsC-.jpg

You can demand
all you want.
But as you are not MP's
its a waste of time.

Today in Central London

Looks like more of your 'gammon' there Smithy, but not a word about it :hee:

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Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10490662)

I’m white sweetie

I never thought otherwise, its only white people are foolish enough to speak like that

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 10490637)

You wouldn’t be happy if the people in charge were trying to disregard your side if you won either lbr :laugh:

On such a slim and dubious majority I'd be happy to rerun the ref. In the interest of the country. It's the only way to deal with the division.
I'd expect at least 55% majority in the second ref for the issue to be borderline clear. If remain doesn't get that much I'd be happy to rerun it again in future.

Wasn't it Farage who said if it was 52-48 for remain the issue would be far from over? :hehe:

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10490680)

Wasn't it Farage who said if it was 52-48 for remain the issue would be far from over? :hehe:

Nobody pays attention to that tosser

Honestly look at the protests. A bunch of beer bellied football hooligans waving flags and singing Rule Britania.

Brexit Britain everybody. Depressing as *******.

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10490663)

Looks like more of your 'gammon' there Smithy, but not a word about it :hee:

No gammon here.
Gammon is a white older male holding right wing views.

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10490700)

No gammon here.
Gammon is a white older male holding right wing views.

How is this allowed? I got an infraction for saying one of the BB housemates looked like a redneck.

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10490719)

How is this allowed? I got an infraction for saying one of the BB housemates looked like a redneck.

I gave a definition of the term. Is that illegal now?

Fgs, these mps can't agree on anything. :facepalm:

an interesting piece on Ch4 News about links between Fishing for Leave (pro Brexit group) and far right Storm Front.

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10490776)

an interesting piece on Ch4 News about links between Fishing for Leave (pro Brexit group) and far right Storm Front.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D218g3tWoAAaS0f.jpg

Generation Identity flags today, another far right group that the Christchurch murderer donated $1500 to.

Honestly, I wish they'd supported this today.
Although unfortunately this PM has lost trust from near all corners of Parliament.

Another referendum.
I'd be worried about that, I can only see problems with that no matter the result.

At present, a General election would likely bring about another hung Parliament.
Or a very narrow win either way for Conservative or Labour.

A big compromise is what is likely needed, the problem here is, what's always been the case, this PM seems unable to even understand what compromise is, never mind encourage and bring it about.

A new Conservative leader and PM is needed, NOW.
This PM should be made to go now and yes, for me any new elected Conservative leader, take over this issue that has been pathetically handled by a total incompetent.

No one now in my view, could be or do worse than Theresa May has.

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10490700)

No gammon here.
Gammon is a white older male holding right wing views.

What's a crusty?

This is the deal they keep rejecting. If there is going to be a softer Brexit they basically have to agree to Withdrawal agreement part of it.

It only makes sense to reject it if the ambition is another referendum (still unlikely there is a majority in parliament for that, and they would have to decide what the options on it were) or leaving without a deal (and that was defeated by 400 to 160 in the previous votes).

So if the compromise between leavers and remainers is soft Brexit they have to vote for this part of the deal.

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Brexit: What deal did MPs reject?
By Tom Edgington
BBC Reality Check
5 hours ago

MPs have rejected Theresa May's Brexit deal for a third time. The government lost by 344 votes to 286, a majority of 58.

But on this occasion there was a key difference: MPs only voted on the withdrawal agreement and not the political declaration. Previously, both of these were voted on and rejected.

So, what are they?

Withdrawal agreement

This is the deal the UK government negotiated with the European Union, over 18 months, and it sets out the terms of the UK's departure from the EU.

First published in November, it is almost 600 pages long and some of the key areas it covers are:

The transition

Under the withdrawal agreement, the UK would enter into a 21-month transition period with the EU after Brexit.

During this time the UK would continue to follow EU rules and remain in the single market and customs union to allow frictionless trade to continue. The UK would also lose membership of EU institutions.

The transition period could be extended, but only for a period of one or two years.

Money

This is known as "the divorce bill" - the amount of money the UK would need to pay the EU to settle its obligations.

Although no figure appears in the document, it is expected that the UK would pay at least £39bn over a number of years.

The Irish backstop

The most controversial part of the withdrawal agreement is the Irish backstop, which has proved to be the main reason it cannot command a majority in Parliament.

The backstop is the insurance policy designed to prevent a hard border in Ireland after Brexit. It would kick in at the end of the transition period in the event that a comprehensive trade deal, that avoids the needs for checks at the Irish border, is not reached between the UK and EU.

The terms of the backstop would effectively place the UK into a temporary customs union with the EU. Critics worry that the UK could find itself trapped in this arrangement for years, leaving it unable to pursue its own independent trade policy (signing trade deals with countries like the US).

Citizens' rights

During the transition period, UK citizens in the EU, and EU citizens in the UK, would retain their residency and welfare rights after Brexit.

The withdrawal agreement also allows citizens who take up residency in another EU country during the transition period (including the UK, of course) to be allowed to stay in that country after the transition.

Political declaration

The political declaration - also published in November - is all about the future relationship between the UK and the EU, after Brexit.

This document is far shorter (just 26 pages) and, unlike the withdrawal agreement, it is not legally binding.

Some of the keys areas it covers are:

Trade

The document calls on the trading relationship to be "as close as possible" and says there would be an "ambitious, wide-ranging and balanced" economic partnership. But it does not a set out what the final outcome for UK-EU trade will look like.

Customs

The political declaration refers to an "ambitious customs arrangement". The concern, from some, is that this could turn into a permanent arrangement that could prevent the UK from pursuing its own independent trade policy.

The government dismisses this concern, and argues that there is nothing wrong in wanting ambitious customs arrangements in the future.

Irish border

Technology and other alterative arrangements would be considered in order to keep the Irish border open with no physical infrastructure (eg border posts). However, presently, there is no border which the EU shares with a non-EU country that is entirely open and frictionless.

Freedom of movement

The UK, according to the document, would take back control of its borders and free movement of EU citizens to the UK (and UK citizens to the EU) would come to an end.

The document says both sides want to preserve visa-free travel for short-term visits (don't worry about your holidays) but it suggests by implication that visas could be introduced for longer stays.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47745831

Since they won't and that was the last chance

Hard Brexit with No Deal hear we come :colour:

Altogether now...