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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10496085)

Its not a Problem
He is a Back Bencher
Not in the Cabinet.

It kept the Left Wing Host of LBC 10AM
busy for 2 hours........................................

Arista, he's one of the most influential tory politicians atm.
His group has been holding government by their short and curlies for years now.
And here you are saying: just one backbencher, move on, nothing to see here...
that's not the case

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10496114)

Arista, he's one of the most influential tory politicians atm.
His group has been holding government by their short and curlies for years now.
And here you are saying: just one backbencher, move on, nothing to see here...
that's not the case

But has No Power.
None of his motions can be made law,

He has a Show on LBC 6PM-7PM Live Fridays only.

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10496127)

But has No Power.
None of his motions can be made law,

He has a Show on LBC 6PM-7PM Live Fridays only.

influence=power

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10496140)

influence=power

Yes he used to.

But its now its PM and Labour Corbyn.

Nigel Farage MEP LBC Global Radio Mon -Thurs 6PM - 7PM and Sunday 10AM
has better influence-power

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10496146)

Yes he used to.

But its now it PM and Labour Corbyn.

Nigel Farage MEP
has better influence-power

she will shaft corbyn after he helps her pass her deal
she'll have to if she wants to keep her party together
with tories is usually party before country, selfish lot they are

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10496150)

she will shaft corbyn after he helps her pass her deal
she'll have to if she wants to keep her party together
with tories is usually party before country, selfish lot they are

Sure.
Its all up to her.

Soon she will be Gone
and another Leader will take her place

May isn't open to changing the deal, she said that before the talks began

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10496150)

she will shaft corbyn after he helps her pass her deal
she'll have to if she wants to keep her party together
with tories is usually party before country, selfish lot they are

And Labour are different how!

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 10496600)

And Labour are different how!

Welcome back Brillo.
Great to see you.:cheer2:

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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 10496614)

Welcome back Brillo.
Great to see you.:cheer2:

Thank you Smudgie - good to be back!

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Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 10496619)

Thank you Smudgie - good to be back!

Bye Brillo.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10496345)

May isn't open to changing the deal, she said that before the talks began

But sadly this view is being peddled in the UK..I trully am shocked at times listening to your polliticall programes and the host's either do not understand Sm or CU & worst of all they let them bleat about WTO with no comprehension of how it works.

It's not about May being open to change the deal...She is cute enough to know the EU is not changing...It's not up to her.

Oh and well done to the Spectator for their latest article by Robert Hardman..Sealed it for many in the remaining 27 that if that is the insulting attitude of the UK a No deal is the best deal

Labour are saying that they have been offered no changes to the political declaration part of the deal, but Downing Street says they have?

One of the big problems now is that Theresa May has said that she is going to resign after the exit day, so what is to stop another Prime Minister changing whatever is agreed later.

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Brexit: Government offers 'no change' to deal, says Labour
6 hours ago

The government has not proposed any changes to the PM's Brexit deal during cross-party talks, says shadow Brexit secretary Sir Keir Starmer.

Meetings have been taking place between Tory and Labour politicians to find a proposal to put to the Commons before an emergency EU summit next week.

But Sir Keir said the government was not "countenancing any change" on the wording of the existing plan.

A Downing Street spokesman said: "We have made serious proposals."

The government was "prepared to pursue changes to the political declaration", a plan for the future relationship with the EU, to "deliver a deal that is acceptable to both sides", the spokesman said.

Extension request

Sir Keir said the government's approach was "disappointing", and it would not consider any changes the "actual wording" of the political declaration. "Compromise requires change," he said.

"We want the talks to continue and we've written in those terms to the government, but we do need change if we're going to compromise."

The UK is currently due to leave the EU on 12 April and, as yet, no withdrawal deal has been approved by MPs.

Theresa May has written to European Council President Donald Tusk to request an extension to 30 June.

But she says if the Commons agrees a deal in time, the UK should be able to leave before European parliamentary elections on 23 May.

Analysis

By Jonathan Blake, BBC political correspondent

Both sides say they are serious about these talks, but there is little to show for that so far.

Perhaps that's no surprise.

After more than two years of negotiations with the EU and months of wrangling in parliament, the idea that the government could sit down with Labour and thrash out a deal that keeps both sides happy in a few days seems optimistic at best.

There appears to be disagreement over what the talks can achieve; changes to the political declaration on the UK's future relationship with the EU, or an additional document to what has already been agreed?

If a deal is done, it may or may not fly. Plenty of Tory MPs are uneasy about working with Labour and the closer ties to the EU it may lead to.

Many Labour MPs want a further referendum regardless of what is agreed - something Jeremy Corbyn has been luke warm on so far.

At this stage a deal looks doubtful. But this is Brexit and stranger things have happened.

Prisons minister Rory Stewart told BBC Radio 4's PM programme that there were "tensions" but there was "quite a lot of life" left in the talks with Labour.

"In truth the positions of the two parties are very, very close and where there's goodwill it should be possible to get this done and get it done relatively quickly," he said.

He insisted that "of course we are prepared to compromise" on the political declaration.

BBC political editor Laura Kuenssberg said: "The sense is that the government has only offered clarifications on what might be possible from the existing documents, rather than adjusting any of their actual proposals in the two documents."

She added that both sides agree the talks are not yet over, but there are no firm commitments for when further discussions might take place.

In case no agreement has been reached by 23 May, the prime minister has said the UK would prepare to field candidates in European parliamentary elections.

BBC Europe editor Katya Adler has been told by a senior EU source that European Council President Donald Tusk will propose a 12-month "flexible" extension to Brexit, with the option of cutting it short if the UK Parliament ratifies a deal.

But French President Emmanuel Macron's office said on Friday that it was "premature" to consider another delay.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47833841

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if it as been May's ploy all along to stick to this path to keep us in the EU rather than leave.

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10497520)

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if it as been May's ploy all along to stick to this path to keep us in the EU rather than leave.

Its possible, why go into cross party talks if you have no intention of changing anything

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10497520)

The more I think about it, the more I wonder if it as been May's ploy all along to stick to this path to keep us in the EU rather than leave.

I've kept dismissing that but it has crossed my mind many times, as it seems it has yours too.

That would be some sweet revenge she'd leave as to the ERG.

France is now set to veto any extension whatsoever

Friday out without a deal
Friday out without a deal
Ee I Adio
Friday out without a deal

:spin:

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10497544)

France is now set to veto any extension whatsoever

Friday out without a deal
Friday out without a deal
Ee I Adio
Friday out without a deal

:spin:

But the Macron tried to give another Fixed Date last time
and the EU Leaders stopped them.

Atm, France, Belgium and Spain are against the extension

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10497590)

Atm, France, Belgium and Spain are against the extension

I refer to the ditty I posted some moments ago..

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10497590)

Atm, France, Belgium and Spain are against the extension

It can all change on the Special EU Summit
Weds 10th April.

As a leaver would you like to go out on No Deal Arista, I would have thought that would be your idea of heaven?

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Originally Posted by Sticks (Post 10497592)

I refer to the ditty I posted some moments ago..

we should play a game : guess which products will be hit by shortages

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10497597)

As a leaver would you like to go out on No Deal Arista, I would have thought that would be your idea of heaven?

Heaven,
has vanished

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10497590)

Atm, France, Belgium and Spain are against the extension

and our dutch PM is also doubtful for a longer extension of this

and on our dutch late night news show they did a poll here ''what do you think about brexit''

74% of dutch people who voted in poll are against this mess

and a possible Nexit, people who voted in that poll here 64% was against that