Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 10058130)

Anyone can see that taking these kids away from their parents in a strange country and locking them away in these cages is awful.It’s no solution for a civilised country.
They need to stay with their families.
If the parents are found to be illegal and end up in prison then they’ll be separated from their kids then anyway though.
So what’s the best solution?
Is it instant deportation so the whole family are kept together,
Or a stricter security solution to stop illegals getting accross the border in the first place.To Hopefully deter them from trying to enter illegally and to encourage them to go through the proper channels.
No country can have an open border as Merkel(and Europe)found out the hard way.
It’s a very tough situation to try to handle.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10058110)

Remind me not to ask you.

Originally Posted by Epic. (Post 10058198)

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.vox....ite-plan-trump

Apparently he's only reuniting them so that they can be deported

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10057958)

Misrepresentation and fear mongering.

You make it sound like kids were kept around any old adults or something. Families were housed together until this change. you can pretend that mentally abusing children from seperating them from their parents is for their own good but the facts simply aren't there.

Your 'emotive language' line has never worked before in this thread and it won't work here. If this story was reversed and you heard the same audio from US children, you would be screaming that it's abuse and you'd be right to do so. It's immigrant children though, so who cares amirite?

The fact that you are trying to downplay actual evidence says it all. You are someone who uses your feelings as your facts and if the actual facts don't allign with that then you'll do your utmost to discredit it.

As I said pages ago, you are either for this treatment of children or you are against it. Tell me which it is.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 10058207)

As I have said I am for what is best for the children but, unlike you, I don't presume to know what is best in that situation as there are not enough facts. I certainly think 'child abuse' is too strong without any evidence of the children being harmed.

Children cry and get upset in many situations - it doesn't automatically equal 'abuse'. You want to see that though - it fits with your agenda and you are selling it for all you are worth. If it makes you feel better!

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10058191)

Are you 5 years old?

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10058323)

Would you like me to be?

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10058334)

Be whatever or whomever you want my brother, I just ask that you engage in good faith debate over petty ridiculousness.

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10058285)

Well you don't have the children's best intentions in mind, that's a lie if you think forcing young children away from their families is a good idea.

It's fairly obvious you don't understand abuse and that it doesn't have to be physical or sexual to count as abuse. Go look up the views of psychologists who have commented on the situation and have visited these places, they are basically all equally damning of it and they all speak of the abusive effects such a practice has on children.

You can't explain it away, you can't twist the narrative . As I said before, you are either for this abuse or you are against it and it's clear from this post that you are for the abuse of children.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10058356)

Ok, can you post the pages from history that disprove the fact that the people who immigrated to america and australia displaced the ambigious people...(if thats the correct wording)

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10058381)

I knew i knew there was a word for it.

The conquering didnt displace the people though.....the mass immigration that came long after did.


But carry on, ive only asked you to copy and paste a link to something that says otherwise!

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10058381)

I knew i knew there was a word for it.

The conquering didnt misplace the people though.....the mass immigration that came long after did.


But carry on, ive only asked you to copy and paste a link to something that says otherwise!

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10058385)

Well no, in the case of what would become the US, it was mostly disease. Unintentional, and also intentional too with the fact that white Europeans gave the natives blankets full of the smallpox virus (as an example). After America was founded, the government had an actual policy to eradicate the natives out of their land.

The invasion of Australia was due to an overcrowding in the British prison system at the time so it was colonised too. Colonisation is not immigration, it's nothing like immigration, and they are not comparable concepts.

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10058390)

But it wasnt the fact that a few came, in both countries...nobody bothered anybody...its when everyone else immigrated from one country to another en masse, that is when the native people(its easier)..that is when they become displaced.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 10058358)

Oh give it a rest! Of course there are different types of abuse and it doesn’t have to be physical or sexual - you don’t say! Seriously, you feel the need to explain that to anyone! I have no time for those that state the obvious thinking they are making some clever statement when they simply demonstrate the opposite. And don’t try to and/or me either. I owe you no explanation - you can get down from that self-proclaimed little platform of yours.

Listening to your sanctimonious drivel is a toss beween hilarious or nauseating depending on how the mood takes me at the time.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10058394)

Let's say hypothetically I agree with your post (I definitely don't), what does that have to do with the situation on the US border? America is a country of 370m people. We know that net immigration has actually been on a downward spiral for years. Slaves were emancipated in 1863 and they still aren't equal citizens in the country, so how do you think a few thousand central Americans fleeing cartels and dictators are going to displace it's current citizens?

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10058412)

I dont think that, omg, did you think i did. .but i can however see why trump has had enough, and this little short sharp shock escapade will hopefully send the msg intended....


I doubt it though, cause to me it sounds like a load of criminals that have made enough money through crime that if they could get into the usa, could have a nice life....with thier kids...

Now you might be told its people fleeing, but just watch these so called cage clips..
Cause they dont look like they have fled anything at all considering most have come from further afield than mexico...

I still cant believe you did a dezzy on me...

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10058405)

Wow, there's not a single point in this post. It's literally all personal attacks.