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Kizzy 22-07-2013 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Zee (Post 6198004)
He probably thought this would get buried among all the Kate Middleton news because it seemed to have come from nowhere. It's a blatant ploy to get his far right supporters back on side after he let gay marriage get through parliament.

Maybe maybe not, I'm not far right :joker:
Middle England is full of swingers don't let those twin sets and pearls fool you! :laugh:

Kyle 22-07-2013 07:08 PM

Does this mean we all have to get girlfriends now?




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Tregard 22-07-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6197973)
A lot has been said about this 'darknet' but how do you get there?...
Not literally obv haha, I mean say you had leanings and were wanting information on how to enter the sphere of illegal practices, surely this will identify those?

Well first off, those in the system are already there, so they won't get found.

As for getting in, that would most likely involve the use of a VPN. Now, those are commercially available, and legal at the moment, so the government is trying to ban those. But once you've got one, they can't find you, so really, all that is occurring is creating a black market for what is actually a perfectly legitimate product.

The government could hypothetically track you looking about VPNs, but past that nothing. You could also install a VPN from an offline source, and the software can be disguised, a ban would be ineffective.

I expect something like this would extend to bit coins. Bit coins are the currency used to purchase commodities on the deep web as it is anonymous, but, like VPNs, perfectly legitimate and legal. It would be restriction by association, as it were. Though I digress, that isn't really connected directly to this issue.

Cherie 22-07-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Simple Minds (Post 6198023)
Does this mean we all have to get girlfriends now?




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Looks like it, laptops across the land will become redundant. Sad times.

Kyle 22-07-2013 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 6198038)
Looks like it, laptops across the land will become redundant. Sad times.

Yes, gone will be the days when you turn up to pc world with a laptop full of viruses and stand there with a straight face trying to tell them you broke it playing sims.

Almost feel like shedding a tear.

Z 22-07-2013 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Simple Minds (Post 6198055)
Yes, gone will be the days when you turn up to pc world with a laptop full of viruses and stand there with a straight face trying to tell them you broke it playing sims.

Almost feel like shedding a tear.


:laugh2:

Kizzy 22-07-2013 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tregard (Post 6198028)
Well first off, those in the system are already there, so they won't get found.

As for getting in, that would most likely involve the use of a VPN. Now, those are commercially available, and legal at the moment, so the government is trying to ban those. But once you've got one, they can't find you, so really, all that is occurring is creating a black market for what is actually a perfectly legitimate product.

The government could hypothetically track you looking about VPNs, but past that nothing. You could also install a VPN from an offline source, and the software can be disguised, a ban would be ineffective.

I expect something like this would extend to bit coins. Bit coins are the currency used to purchase commodities on the deep web as it is anonymous, but, like VPNs, perfectly legitimate and legal. It would be restriction by association, as it were. Though I digress, that isn't really connected directly to this issue.

Hmmm, not even going to pretend I know what VPN is, how will they know they need one of those?
Reading info on this today some killers start out by searching for things online prior to offences, if it saves one life it will be worth it I guess.
Mind you it does seem like trying to stem a gaping wound with a plaster....

''Separately, the former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection centre (CEOP), Jim Gamble, said Mr Cameron’s plan to tackle child abuse images by removing results from search engines like Google would be “laughed at” by paedophiles.

“There are 50,000 predators...downloading abusive images on peer-to-peer, not from Google,” he said. “Yet from CEOP intelligence only 192 were arrested last year. That’s simply not good enough.

“We’ve got to attack the root cause, invest with new money, real investment in child protection teams, victim support and policing on the ground. Let’s create a real deterrent. Not a pop-up that paedophiles will laugh at.”

Mr Cameron laid out a multi-pronged approach to tackle the proliferation of both legal and illegal pornography on the internet, saying that the problem was “too big to ignore”.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...e-8726991.html

Josy 22-07-2013 07:42 PM

Kizzy you have posted articles of crimes that take place on darknet, well this filter for porn will do nothing at all to reduce those crimes so I'm really not getting the connection?

Regardless of any filters the government put on anyone can still get to the deep web and they don't need a VPN to do it either.

Kizzy 22-07-2013 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 6198132)
Kizzy you have posted articles of crimes that take place on darknet, well this filter for porn will do nothing at all to reduce those crimes so I'm really not getting the connection?

Regardless of any filters the government put on anyone can still get to the deep web and they don't need a VPN to do it either.

Josy, I've only posted articles in connection with internet crime.
Seems like it will go down the tubes anyway so :shrug:

Scarlett. 22-07-2013 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 6198163)
Josy, I've only posted articles in connection with internet crime.
Seems like it will go down the tubes anyway so :shrug:

The darknet is very different from the internet we know, a lot of nasty **** happens there, or at least thats what I hear, I'd never want to go there myself. Normal internet crime happens, but it is usually stopped and nipped in the bud.

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 22-07-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy (Post 6198132)
Kizzy you have posted articles of crimes that take place on darknet

about 78 times

Kizzy 22-07-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott (Post 6198215)
about 78 times

Don't be cheeky scott :nono:

Livia 22-07-2013 08:26 PM

I don't think they were trying to bury it. We've all been sent a briefing today and links to use in emails and to pass on to the party faithful. Like I said earlier, the people who opposed gay marriage will love this... I think that's who they're aiming it at in a desperate attempt to win back the outraged blue-rinse brigade.

LikeABoatOnWater 22-07-2013 08:29 PM

After todays Birth, ive been enlightened. we need to protect our kids.

Firewire 22-07-2013 08:40 PM

*yawn*

letmein 22-07-2013 08:52 PM

After having to wait for them to switch off the filter, then you're on a list of those who wants to be able to look at porn. Welcome to 1984!

letmein 22-07-2013 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 6196435)
Do not be Silly.




This is to protect under young children
it will take a year to do



Labour will follow it
as its a election gig

Under young? Another aristaism. :joker:

Nedusa 22-07-2013 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6196472)
Good to see a lot of viewpoints expressed on this thread. There are a few different issues being discussed here ie Porn v Child Porn, Google v Dark Net, Internet Freedom v Internet restriction/regulation.

My viewpoint is really simple : - I DON'T WANT TO BE ABLE TO CLICK ON A BUTTON AND RECEIVE PORN.......any PORN in any guise or format.

I want all forms of Pornography to be available BUT only after certain protocols have been observed ie proof of age etc...

I do not want to be able to press the wrong button and inadvertently receive a video clip of a mass orgy.....and as young children have access to smart phones tablets etc... I most certainly do NOT want them to be subjected to this type of imagery.

There is not much more to say......!!!!!!!

I posted the above post this afternoon and now 290 posts later I have posted it again. A lot of people seem to have missed the point , read the above post again its quite straightforward , all parents do not want hardcore pornography available so easily that one wrong click by anyone could result in a deluge of hardcore sexual imagery ... filters must be employed by law to ensure all pornography can only be accessed after relevant protocols have been undertaken ie proof of age etc....

Z 22-07-2013 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6198900)
I posted the above post this afternoon and now 290 posts later I have posted it again. A lot of people seem to have missed the point , read the above post again its quite straightforward , all parents do not want hardcore pornography available so easily that one wrong click by anyone could result in a deluge of hardcore sexual imagery ... filters must be employed by law to ensure all pornography can only be accessed after relevant protocols have been undertaken ie proof of age etc....

But why should the masses have to undergo a screening process just to watch regular pornography? Because that's what this ban is proposing. All access to adult material will be restricted by default unless you explicitly want access to it. Seeing as this is aimed at parents trying to protect their children - surely it would make more sense to do it the other way around and ask for parents to choose to opt out of having access to such material so that people are making the choice to have something taken away from them; rather than having to choose to get access to something?! I can't believe this is even happening - everything I've read about this today has said that this is happening, without any mention of it going through Commons or any legal authority. October and "end of the year" are being thrown around a lot. This is utter nonsense.

Z 22-07-2013 10:27 PM

And this ISP ban will affect everyone, not just families with young kids. Everyone in my household is over the age of 18, we're all adults, but suddenly we're going to be forced to have an awkward conversation about adult material as a family. My mum's a photographer. She's into all sorts of photography, including (tasteful) nude shots - but is that going to be classed as porn under David Cameron's prude crusade? I have two brothers and a dad too. I don't want to know if they watch porn or not but I'm assuming they all do or have done in the past - and this moronic idea is going to force us to talk about it. There are some things you don't need to know about your family members and this quite frankly is an unnecessary shock to the system. Yes, something needs to be done about sex offenders, and no, embarrassing the entire country is not the way to do it. We'll be a laughing stock around the world!

Nedusa 22-07-2013 10:48 PM

The Internet was created for Porn , it is by far the single most accessed subject on the Internet . Type in google the word porn and you will receive over 88 Million links .

It's time to take Porn out of the Internet or at least try, it's not a question of being a prude it's a question of protecting the innocence of our children ( Mary White House would be turning in her grave if she knew just how out of control and easily accessable porn now is.

All forms of pornography must be regulated on the Internet by all countries . This is one area where I welcome a big brother approach to stopping easy access to this type of material . The material should be available but it must be made far harder to access after proof of age and other checks are made, not simply appearing on ones computer screen because you pressed a wrong button ... Am I a lone voice in wanting this or have the last vestiges of morality and decency been trampled over in an obscene thirst for Internet profit...!!!

Disgusting .......

Z 22-07-2013 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa (Post 6199149)
The Internet was created for Porn , it is by far the single most accessed subject on the Internet . Type in google the word porn and you will receive over 88 Million links .

It's time to take Porn out of the Internet or at least try, it's not a question of being a prude it's a question of protecting the innocence of our children ( Mary White House would be turning in her grave if she knew just how out of control and easily accessable porn now is.

All forms of pornography must be regulated on the Internet by all countries . This is one area where I welcome a big brother approach to stopping easy access to this type of material . The material should be available but it must be made far harder to access after proof of age and other checks are made, not simply appearing on ones computer screen because you pressed a wrong button ... Am I a lone voice in wanting this or have the last vestiges of morality and decency been trampled over in an obscene thirst for Internet profit...!!!

Disgusting .......

Mary Whitehouse would have also opposed gay marriage, I think she was a despicable woman who is a prime example of religious intolerance masquerading as morality. I agree that the porn industry ought to be regulated, but why should we be screened and vetted to access something legal? If I want to watch a man and a woman have sex, or a woman and a woman, or a man and a man, or a group of people, all take part in consensual sex; and I am an adult in all authorities, why should that be taken away from me because there are people under the age of 18 with an internet connection in this country?

Surely the size of the porn industry tells you something about how ridiculous this measure is. Freedom of information goes right out the window. I should be able to look up pornography if I want to do so - providing it was made by consenting adults and is all legally sound. Of course it's a question of being a prude - how long do you propose we protect children's innocence for? Until they're 18? Until they're going to get married to their virgin husband or bride to be? Indefinitely, because they are not sexual beings? Yes, it is wrong that 9 year old children can be exposed to all sorts of sexual imagery at a young age - but it's EVERYWHERE in our culture, let's not put porn on a pedestal just because it's the most basic form. Music, music videos, film, television, advertising, talk shows... it's glamorised and it's all around us.

You make it sound like people accidentally right click their mouse and it somehow warps them into a world of porn with no way out. Yes, sometimes you click on adverts that accidentally take you to porn sites - but that's a problem with advertising; that ought to be banned. I can't think of another way you would "accidentally" end up on a porn site. Either you clicked an advert by mistake or you were looking for porn. There are countless ad-blocker softwares that are used for a variety of reasons - I have one on my Firefox because it makes pages run faster if I have adverts blocked. Let's not pretend that the internet invented porn and talk about morality - the Victorians were absolute filth; there were syphilis epidemics because people were so repressed by society that they did everything behind closed doors and nobody spoke about things in an honest way. There has never been a time in human history where we've stopped being sexually active; or else we wouldn't all be here today. Sex is part of life, because it creates life, and trying to make depictions of sex disappear seems like such a silly waste of time that I wonder if they're just having a bit of a boring Monday in 10 Downing Street and if this isn't all some kind of warped joke.

Shaun 22-07-2013 11:03 PM

Greg is owning this thread :love:

Amy Jade 22-07-2013 11:08 PM

Can people not just use proxy sites to watch it?

That's what I do if I want to watch TV shows only available to American viewers (on the CW site)

Verbal 22-07-2013 11:11 PM

It is just willy waggling from the tories to appease the daily mail reading middle england voters. They will never ever be able to control anything on the net. The pirates are always 2 steps ahead. They blocked Pirate Bay in the UK, took about 24 hours before it was accessible again.


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