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As much early on he was going to be
to busy.

How quickly will the bookies start taking bets that Corbyn is ousted in the next 2 years, that's the question. I will start saving for that bet now

:laugh: Me too BitOnTheSlide.

Betting on politics is a mug's game. Well... Betting in general is... But politics even moreso.

I'd say that's true generally, but this one i'm happy to bet on. I also bet on a Tory general election win and that turned out rather nicely :spin:

Believe he's saying that he will only take 1 in 5 PMQs. Sorry but that's a farce.

Also arista do you actually like Corbyn or are you supporting him as part of a #toriesforcorbyn thing?

He's began appointing his Shadow Cabinet. I've put them in the other thread. Some good people I think, and includes some blairites which shows he does actually want to unite the party.

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He will prove to be an unmitigated disaster and will not reign long.

The number of supposed political "professionals" hurling their toys out of the pram says it all about British politics, really. Petty and childish, as always.

Corbyn has rebelled against his own party more than any other MP and has never been willing to support a party leader he disagreed with, how come when he does it it's 'principled' but when other Labour MPs do it they're 'hurling their toys out of the pram'?

People wanted Corbyn because he presented a radical departure from the current consensus and because he was ideologically distant to the rest of the field, well this is the result. To serve in someone's shadow cabinet you have to be prepared to endorse their proposals and support their views, it's not surprising that a lot of Labour MPs aren't prepared to do that while Corbyn insists on a radical agenda.

Well I personally don't think I've described Corbyn as "principled" so that "how come" question is redundant... For the rest of it, I'm not talking about people quietly stepping down because of differing ideologies. That's understandable. I'm talking about the insta-reactions, social media postings and huffing and puffing that accompanies it. Otherwise known as "flouncing", "paddying" or "throwing the toys out of the pram".

It happens constantly in British politics, along with the sniggering, guffawing, sneering and jeering. But as I recall, you've said previously that you like all of that... Err... "tradition".

Yuuurrrrrr bleeerrrrrrrrr yeeee *flounce*

I've seen very little of that. All someone like Rachel Reeves announced was that she would return to the backbenches when she comes back from maternity leave, Tristram Hunt said he would respect and support Corbyn but wouldn't be able to serve on the front benches, Yvette Cooper congratulated him and said she would work with him but wouldn't be able to take a shadow cabinet post etc. Jamie Reed was maybe the only one who was a bit petty in resigning before Corbyn had finished his speech. The media are hyping it up with talks of 'chaos' and 'splits' already but I don't think any of the Labour MPs have reacted that pettily.

I also don't see the equivalence between social media flouncing and maintaining Commons conventions that have existed for centuries :idc:

The equivalence is that social media flouncing is juvenile, and most of the Commons conventions that have existed for centuries are also juvenile...

I think the labour party will implode within a year. It will either get another new leader or there will be the breakaway social democrats mark 2. Its untenable as it is now.

far to early to say

remember when they elected Gordon Brown? lol

I disagree, its blatantly obvious already

Somehow, I have a feeling voters generally are going to give Jeremy a chance, sometimes no matter what it is, negative things about a politician are not able to be made to stick.

Somehow Jeremy has acquired admiration and respect from voters and particularly younger and those who will be voting in 2020.

The bad mouthing of him may well backfire on those doing it and if he can convincingly have a team more often than not in the forefront of political debate,making the strong case for his vision.
That is how you repace an idea, with another totally different idea.
This just,ironically, may be the right time for Corbyn to capture any new mood with most voters.

I don't think the voters will have any say in how things pan out next (well not until its a fait accompli) The real power brokers, and senior figures within the party will first try and oust Corbyn. If thats not successful, then they will take the influence and funding and create a breakaway. Corbyn is not electable.

JC has spoken to Reporters
saying Syria has not even come up.
He will not be pushed


Last night a SkyNewsHD crew ran after him
for many minutes but he would not give a word
even shown on other news stations.


It was late night
he is free to not talk

I have no doubt if Labours fortunes do not improve in local elections, by elections and the polling generally,he will be challenged and gone in 3 years max.

If however,he does good in local elections, if the tide appears to be starting to turn back a bit in Scotland and should the polling improve,then Labour is not likely to want to see any challenge as the hierarchy of Labour do not like leaders to be seemingly stabbed in the back.

I see no possibility of a breakaway, the Lib Dems are even more in the doldrums than Labour.Few in Labour would even want to talk to the Lib Dems let alone have anything to do in future closely with them.
UKIP has no appeal to the MPs who have chosen to go to the backbenches either,no way.

Go off an form a new party, 'another one', they would all see that as a disaster waiting to happen,I cannot see that coming about.

In the 80s, such a break was done by 4 who had been very high profile cabinet ministers.Roy Jenkins,Shirley Williams,David Owen and Bill Rodgers.
Certainly as to the first 3, there are none of the current disaffected former cabinet members who could command in any way the profile and attention of the 80s breakaways.

Politics is littered with people who felt they could do better out of their main parties,I cannot see that happening this time at all really.

It well be an interesting thing to watch how things develop however.

I can see him and Nigel getting on well

(no Im not joking either)

All we need is for the SNP to cock up like the lib dems did, if they are seen to be getting into bed with the tories then Labour will be back in Scotland.