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Johnnyuk123 02-12-2015 10:05 PM

Treat ISIS as they treat us. Blow the fekers up asap.:thumbs:

Livia 02-12-2015 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 8328751)
However, I myself would have probably in the end vote in support,especially after Hilary Benn's closing speech.

It was passionate and convincing in my view and probably ensured a good number,although nothing like the 80+ predicted to,Labour MPs went through the support lobby.

I'm a bit of a fan of Hilary Benn. I was a great fan of his Dad, although I often disagreed strongly with him, he was a magnificent politician with real integrity.

joeysteele 02-12-2015 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8328750)
Party line or not, most MPs vote with their conscience on something as big as this and I doubt any of them voted without thinking it through.

I am not convinced of that, I know 2 Conservative MPs who were going to vote in favour but who under a free vote would not have.
I doubt only 2 were in that position too and thinking is one part what one feels is another.
Conservative MPs were denied that and you know what it is like to cross the whips, or should do.

Johnnyuk123 02-12-2015 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas (Post 8328755)
Good quote my fave atm...

'Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.'

Kizzy how long do you think you will last face to face with ISIS? And are you up for it?

AProducer'sWetDream 02-12-2015 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123 (Post 8328757)
Treat ISIS as they treat us. Blow the fekers up asap.:thumbs:

But you can't blow up an ideology.

Johnnyuk123 02-12-2015 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream (Post 8328764)
But you can't blow up an ideology.

Yes we can.

Livia 02-12-2015 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas (Post 8328755)
Good quote my fave atm...

'Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.'

Gunfight at the Quotations corral.

Actually, I think my sig is the best quotation in this event.

EspeonBB 02-12-2015 10:08 PM

I mean it's a nice idea that the UK could bomb ISIS HQ and everything will be fine but that's not the reality. So many innocent civilians will be affected and ISIS will definitely use the opportunity to radicalise them and get them onto their side :S

joeysteele 02-12-2015 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8328761)
I'm a bit of a fan of Hilary Benn. I was a great fan of his Dad, although I often disagreed strongly with him, he was a magnificent politician with real integrity.

Well, after tonight,if any leadership challenge comes about sooner rather than later, Hilary Benn would do well to consider running for leader in my view.

Kizzy 02-12-2015 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123 (Post 8328763)
Kizzy how long do you think you will last face to face with ISIS? And are you up for it?

I'm not up for answering any bizarre questions.

AProducer'sWetDream 02-12-2015 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas (Post 8328755)
Good quote my fave atm...

'Political language... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.'

:clap2: I assume that's Orwell? Definitely agree, especially the bit in bold.

kirklancaster 02-12-2015 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream (Post 8328730)

Yes, I have watched it more than once, and would love to know the author.

We (The West) are already doing most of what this recommends, other of what it recommends is easier said than done, and some of what it recommends would actually aid the terrorists if our Nations were stupid enough to implement it.

The bombing campaign in Syria has already halted the advance of IS and cut off two of the three major routes which they have been using for supplies.

If the US/UK military intelligence and technology can pinpoint scumbag Jihadi John, track him, then take him out with needle precision, then we can also target IS with the absolute minimum of 'collateral Damage'.

Livia 02-12-2015 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 8328771)
Well, after tonight,if any leadership challenge comes about sooner rather than later, Hilary Benn would do well to consider running for leader in my view.

I agree. The Tories would have something to worry about I reckon.

MTVN 02-12-2015 10:11 PM

That's a very convincing vote: every Labour MP could have vote against and it would still have passed.

It was a long day of debate and a lot of good points made on both sides: clearly every MP had given this serious thought and those who spoke were earnest in their convictions. It is not a black or white issue and cannot be reduced down to one liners but IMO the right result was reached tonight.

Livia 02-12-2015 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream (Post 8328776)
:clap2: I assume that's Orwell? Definitely agree, especially the bit in bold.

My sig is Orwell... for you interest.

Johnnyuk123 02-12-2015 10:11 PM

ISIS believe that by blowing themselves up they go to paradise. So by the UK blowing them up we are getting them to paradice sooner. So we are doing them all a favour.

joeysteele 02-12-2015 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dasherleyne (Post 8328770)
I mean it's a nice idea that the UK could bomb ISIS HQ and everything will be fine but that's not the reality. So many innocent civilians will be affected and ISIS will definitely use the opportunity to radicalise them and get them onto their side :S

Well let's hope it is not a case of here we are again, making the same errors and leaving one almighty mess that just sees another vile organisation form,that is if IS even gets eradicated.

Just got to hope now and dread any of our forces returning home again in body bags too.

Glenn. 02-12-2015 10:11 PM

Twitter makes me howl. The way everyone is talking is like we're just gonna drop bombs at random locations and hope for the best.

bots 02-12-2015 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8328761)
I'm a bit of a fan of Hilary Benn. I was a great fan of his Dad, although I often disagreed strongly with him, he was a magnificent politician with real integrity.

I could get behind Hilary as a labour leader. I never agreed with his Dad's politics, but he was a man of integrity, principle and intelligence

Livia 02-12-2015 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Good King Glennceslas (Post 8328784)
Twitter makes me howl. The way everyone is talking is like we're just gonna drop bombs at random locations and hope for the best.

Twitter is a platform for people to present to the world how light a grasp most of them have on the facts.

kirklancaster 02-12-2015 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dasherleyne (Post 8328770)
I mean it's a nice idea that the UK could bomb ISIS HQ and everything will be fine but that's not the reality. So many innocent civilians will be affected and ISIS will definitely use the opportunity to radicalise them and get them onto their side :S

The only civilians who are in the same vicinity as these murdering turds are the unfortunate ones being held captive by force or fear, and those NOT already beheaded, raped and sold into sex slavery, or buried in mass graves, will despise IS and welcome being liberated - even by death if takes out their oppressors too.

Johnnyuk123 02-12-2015 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8328777)
Yes, I have watched it more than once, and would love to know the author.

We (The West) are already doing most of what this recommends, other of what it recommends is easier said than done, and some of what it recommends would actually aid the terrorists if our Nations were stupid enough to implement it.

The bombing campaign in Syria has already halted the advance of IS and cut off two of the three major routes which they have been using for supplies.

If the US/UK military intelligence and technology can pinpoint scumbag Jihadi John, track him, then take him out with needle precision, then we can also target IS with the absolute minimum of 'collateral Damage'.

:clap1::clap1::clap1:

And he was sat on the bog at the time reading the sun newspaper apparently snorting cocain from page 3.:wavey:

AProducer'sWetDream 02-12-2015 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8328777)
Yes, I have watched it more than once, and would love to know the author.

We (The West) are already doing most of what this recommends, other of what it recommends is easier said than done, and some of what it recommends would actually aid the terrorists if our Nations were stupid enough to implement it.

The bombing campaign in Syria has already halted the advance of IS and cut off two of the three major routes which they have been using for supplies.

If the US/UK military intelligence and technology can pinpoint scumbag Jihadi John, track him, then take him out with needle precision, then we can also target IS with the absolute minimum of 'collateral Damage'.

The collateral damage is my issue with the strategy that's been approved tonight. In the wake of the Paris attacks, the French bombing campaign certainly caused a lot of that- the pictures are harrowing (not in the TiBB slang sense of the word). If the government could assure that this would not be the case, then it would sway me more towards being in favour of the idea.

kirklancaster 02-12-2015 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8328788)
Twitter is a platform for people to present to the world how light a grasp most of them have on the facts.

So not much different to parts of Tibb then.

Northern Monkey 02-12-2015 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 8328788)
Twitter is a platform for people to present to the world how light a grasp most of them have on the facts.

That's a very polite way of saying it.




I was going to say......

Twitter is full of *****
:laugh:


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