Why is it so important to you that it is? Isn't it being a terror attack enough?

Nope, it isn't there's that ignorance again.

It is a terrorist attack.

When the Jewish deli in Paris was attacked no one viewed it as purely an anti-Semitic attack, it was a terrorist attack. I've been to loads of gay clubs, I'm sure there were plenty of heteros in the club that night just like there would have been loads of gay people at the Bataclan.

I never mentioned homophobia.

I don't believe they are scared of gays at all.

They don't like homosexuality because they think it is deviant. The "not all muslims" argument won't wash. They all follow the Quran and believe what it says.

Yeah, you'll get that a lot here.

Not all immigrants are Muslims though?

But I get what you mean and agree with you to an extent as to why anyone on the left, or gay people (no matter what wing spectrum) would defend the most right wing and prejudiced group out there in our current generation, it makes no sense to me.

Gay people can be some of the most self-loathing people out there sometimes so I would not be surprised if he hated who he was and attacked anyone that was like him as the Religious nature in him still sees it as a sin.

I have just posted a news report about the imminent arrest of an accomplice and I read earlier that the shooter had been scoping out lots of venues but then chose the gay club.

I really think he may have chose this place simply because it was a convenient place to carry out the attack. They sometimes even pick targets based on how far they are from emergency services or how easy it is to enter/leave or resist the police while inside.

They might have chosen it because it was a gay venue but even if that is the case, in the grand scheme of things I don't think it matters. People are people.

Perhaps they just wanted to increase the outrage and publicity. Or perhaps they just wanted to make liberals like Owen Jones do mental gymnastics. If thats the case then they succeeded.

Reopening this thread because its an ongoing story which I'm sure we'll hear more about but it's generous to say that some of the posts in here are bordering on trolling and being pretty offensive so any of that won't be tolerated and I'd encourage people not to rise to it

http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-736x414.jpg
This fella got Shot in his hip , hand and leg
he then played dead. Not making a sound

Well Done Fella

http://news.sky.com/story/1711897/ki...lando-survivor

so do some people think it's terrorism just bc a brown person killed ppl?

Think its more to do him having been radicalised online, pledging allegiance to ISIS and carrying out a targeted attack on the LGBT community

That is a really good point.

He also it appears had sympathies with the likes of IS who despise the LGBT communities.
For me I agree with you, it should be seen as both a terrorist and a hate crime planned and executed against the LGBT community, in a building where he would expect only those probably from the gay community to be.

The main thing is so many lives lost and so many injured in a horrific incident where the victims were intended to be only from the LGBT gay community.

I honestly cannot see at all how the LGBT issue can be isolated from this and it only be termed a terrorist attack.

Like all mass shootings in the US, it's ultimately terrorism. I just don't buy the Isis angle and I dislike how the media is downplaying this as a hate crime against the LGBT community in favour of it.

Looks like his wife was involved and she drove him to scope out targets.

The gay club was just one possible target. It seems they were considering disney world and went to check that out.

The shooter and his wife also considered Disney world as a target. This wasn't a hate crime. They were just looking for easy targets that would cause the most controversy.

This absolutely puts the issue to bed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...een-as-possib/

Cowards like this just want easy targets. Making this a LGBT issue is one of the most bizarre things I have seen on the internet.

The club happened to be a gay club. That is it. This case is a virtual carbon copy of the San Bernadino couple.

ive terrorism. 33000 innocents killed last year by isis ...all religions all genders all sexes all disabilities...they even kill fellow muslims. they are insane

One of them has just killed a mother in front of her 3 year old son in Paris.

They are absolutely the most dangerous problem facing the world today. Gun control and LGBT issues are red herrings, deliberately added by the left to muddy the waters.

Has the video of that guy walking out of the Sky News debate been posted yet?

yeah he was offended sky news not recognising it as a gay hate crime, the interviewer seemed to imply that isis are out to get everyone

He made a bit of a tit of himself to be honest. And that press preview on sky is a good gig and easy money for a journalist/columnist, but he has ensured that he will never be invited back.

I really can't understand the mentality of storming out because someone disagreed with you. Stick around and fight your case. Don't take your bat and ball home like a spoiled child.

I thought the host, who was twice Owen's age and a proper journalist, handled it extremely well.

For anyone who feels upset and offended by what's happened in Orlando, this is for you :love:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/c...P=share_btn_tw

Yeah, he did come across as very childish.

He reminded me of Bonnie Langford in Just William.

"Admit this is a LGBT issue or I will scream and scream until I am sick."