People on and off the thread were literally mourning, Brillo. It wasnt the time for anybodys personal political opinions imo. Its still not, reply to this elsewhere if you're gonna further your political mindset

Been thinking about this all day. So close to home and so close to an event anyone we know could be attending. I remember seeing Beyonce last summer in Croke Park, an absolute sea of people, never seen so many people in one place in my whole life. Not even a pat down on the way in... a terrorist's paradise. And I do believe it's a matter of time before some lunatic tries something like this in Dublin. The problem is clearly only getting worse. And I agree with people saying we need to talk about it. Some serious action needs to be taken, idk what that should be but innocent children dying is just utterly heartbreaking.

I know it might not seem important, but I imagine this is having a huge affect on Ariana Grande. She must be feeling a huge sense of guilt. I know she didn't do anything wrong and these things cannot be foreseen, but I think this is something that will impact her badly unfortunately.

(Why would he have an identity document on him?)

why does any murderer do what they do

he wanted fame

Drivers license might have been in his wallet?

I was thinking this too,she may feel guilty that those kids died,I hear that she has cancelled the rest of her concerts and is considering leaving the music industry,hopefully the latter is based on rumour

Oh yeah true, I was thinking it was a deliberate thing.. something he brought to be found

would it not be destroyed in the explosion?

Could be that too.Maybe he wanted to be remembered?

I think leaving the industry is a rumour. Right now she's suspended her UK dates and will reschedule them at a later time. I would completely understand if she cancelled the rest of the tour. I bet she's conflicted about what course of action she should take. I know id be anxious getting up on a stage again if I were her


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No, it is not that simple, he was persuaded by whoever radicalised him that when he set off his device he would immediately be received into paradise with 72 virgins for dying a martyrs death in holy Jihad against the infidels.

Under certain variants of Islam, with Islamic State and the Taliban, music is considered Haram (Forbidden), so also is educating girls. They should not even be taught how to read. There job is to cook and clean and be Jihadi brides to have sex with their husbands and bear sons (Not Daughters!!)

Also America is seen in some Islamic extremist circles as the Great Satan, so a pop concert with a representative of the Great Satan, who is clearly literate (Haram for a female), involved in Satanic and Haram music, not wearing a full burka and face veil inciting other women who should be at home serving their fathers and husband, in silent reverence would be so repugnant to those who are radicalised that they would consider it a great honour and sacred duty to sacrifice their lives bringing it to an end. And as mentioned above, Allah will smile on them for their efforts and welcome them into paradise et al.

He did not want fame per say, he wanted to die serving Allah in holy Jihad.

The real villains are those who radicalised him into such beliefs , which many mainstream moderate Muslims will also see are a perversion of Islam, and sent him out to die, or at least encouraged him to do so :mad:

Well if she does leave the music industry it will prove that terrorism works..

Just like it did in Spain...

A man with an axe and Baseball bat was arrested at the vigilant

yes but i'm sure he wanted to be remembered for it, that's why i thought he left his id on him

wasn't that in Birmingham Adam?

Yes the Birmingham one

Yeah,would be a shame if she gave her music up,she must feel pretty awful right now.

In my head, a nail bomb looked like hundreds of bullets, made out of metal bolts and stuff, firing in every direction, but its not something I've ever researched.. is it more of an explosion?

I have no idea to me a bomb means explosion destroying everything

Faith leaders and community organisations across the UK have condemned Monday night’s attack.

Justin Welby, the archbishop of Canterbury, tweeted his condolences. “Heroic Manchester, dark evil cannot overcome it. We pray for those in sorrow on the hard journey of loss & pain, & for those who protect us,” he wrote.


David Walker, the bishop of Manchester, said: “What makes this latest atrocity particularly dreadful is the deliberate choice of a concert known to attract very young fans. Many lives will be lived out, impacted by this tragedy for long years to come. Others have had decades of life ripped away from them.

“There is a proper anger and rage in the face of events like this. Our challenge will be to direct that rage and anger to be a force for good. We will rally around the victims and their families. We will unite across our diversity, drawing close especially to any that the terrorists would seek to separate us from. And we will rebuild and repair the damage to our city, as we have done before.”

Churches in Greater Manchester would be open for people to pray today, he added.

Harun Khan, the secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said: “This is horrific, this is criminal. May the perpetrators face the full weight of justice both in this life and the next.

“I pay tribute to the police and emergency services who have worked valiantly to save lives last night. They were helped by civilians who rushed in to offer their support. I urge all those in the region and around the country to pool together to support those affected.”

The counter-extremist organisation Faith Matters said that actions against groups promoting Islamist and victimisation narratives had rarely been effective “when they create a fertile ground for mindsets who believe that they are being targeted by the government because they are Muslim. This causes them to become more and more isolated and drawn to further extremist rhetoric”.

Founder Fiyaz Mughal added: “We are moving into another phase given the Manchester killings. For years, government has had its hands tied behind its back and worried about legal action against it if it acts against groups. Manchester should be a turning point and a realisation that terrorists will not stop their murder of innocent people.

“We have to ensure that groups promoting Islamist and far-right extremist rhetoric are challenged, shown for the hypocrites that they are and that they are a fundamental threat to our democracy.”

John Arnold, the Catholic bishop of Manchester, said such an attack “can have no justification”.
The general assembly of the Church of Scotland opened in Edinburgh with prayers and silence for the victims of the attack. “That young people and children, with others, could be the subject of what police are now treating as a premeditated act of violence is beyond comprehension. There is no cause, political or religious, that justifies actions of senseless brutality, anywhere or at any time,” said the moderator Derek Browning.

The European Jewish Congress condemned the attack. It “demonstrates once again that the enemies of civilisation have no boundaries,” Moshe Kantor, the EJC president, said. “This was a concert attended by mostly young people and children and is a ghastly reminder that terrorism sees all of us as potential targets, regardless of age, religion, nationality or background.”
Bhai Amrik Singh, the chair of the Sikh Federation UK, said: “The suicide bomber who mindlessly targeted innocent young people in the Manchester Arena must have been deranged.

“I would like to applaud Sikhs living and working in Manchester who immediately came to the support of those caught up in the terror attack. This ranged from Sikh taxi drivers who drove people away from the danger to our Gurdwaras, who opened their doors to help strangers.”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...b03ddbc8d5c2ef

This is for the boxing at the weekend but I think this is the kind of thing that is going to have to start happening at every big public event

I heard the boom it made on YT on the telly.Definately a big explosion.I think they surround it with shrapnel and nails to worsen the effect.But still a bomb

I hope the security is stringent at the end when people are leaving.That is the hardest bit to control