Plenty of those having a go at Brillo making threads never make any themselves

Guess what?

If you make lots of threads you get lots of criticism...

Its easier to criticise than to create

I'm not a teacher Vicky ,just a teachers assistant at a special needs school,so yes I work with kids and I do see what you are saying there, but I still think some bans should have stayed in place but didn't, I suppose we all have different ideas of what is acceptable and what is not.

As i said LT ,I enjoy brillos threads and would love to debate about them more but sometimes it's just pointless. brillo has been a good asset to the forum,imo.

What a load of cr*p. Plenty of people on here get called racist - are you really trying to say it's only me - and it is nearly always from the same small crowd. You are one of the biggest baiters on here - I have even been pm'd and told to watch you and by nobody who was on here today either before you start trying to have a pop at people.

You accuse others - but you are a big part of the problem on here and the ONLY one I have had to put on ignore for more than 5 minutes. So do one.

I think you've slightly misinterpreted what I was saying but that's ok I've had a wonderful week!

Another thing that comes into play when talking about longer bans, is how a member behaves whilst they are banned. Someone who makes a load of multis or continues harassing members in another way off forum, is unlikely to be considered for their bans lifted. Length of time since ban matters too sometimes, but thats dependent on what someone actually did to be banned in the first place.

So much discussion actually goes into longer term bans. Sometimes to the point where it causes huge rifts between the moderation/admin team too.

I've literally never seen anyone else be called a racist? Who? When? More importantly I suppose, why?

Gonna ignore the 'I know you are but what am I' bit. I'm an adult so.

I may well have misread :laugh:

The rest of the post still stands though. Just pretend I didn't quote you :p

Its tit for tat nonsense thats the main issue.

Along with some members being a little too sensitive to criticism to be taking part in actual debates. Thats not directed at anyone in particular before that comments taken in the wrong way.

rant/

its a debates forum, and if a topic for debate gets posted and it only receives ridicule, no one is better informed, no one actually had a debate, so the poster may well have another attempt but word it differently resulting in a new thread

No one should be expecting total agreement, but debate does mean debate, not ridicule or condescending tones

/rant

Also can I add this whole 'well if you don't like it don't come on the thread then you big dumb idiot' thing doesn't really work with the debates section? That's kinda what a debate is. People who do, and do not like Brillos thread should continue to debate the reasons why, and should be able to call out racism if and when they see it.

If you don't wanna be called a racist, don't say anything that may be interpreted as racism, and maybe avoid the debates forum. Pretty simple?

Several on here have complained of it. What see no evil, hear no evil when it suits!

Any specific example? Orrr. I would like to see for myself why somebody was called a racist, it's a very big accusation which should only come after a few hundred dodgy posts imo.

Why not come up with your own catchphrase rather than stealing from others. :wavey:

I wish you knew what was meant by it though. Cos like you keep doing it as if it's a zinger.

I did definitely misread you, reading back and the post you quoted.

Tame response, yes. Helpful to debate on the subject, no. Attempt to engage the topic, no. Actually a pretty childish response? Yes. An overall worthy post in this section, no. Something that should probably just be deleted, yes. Something I would hope people can refrain from doing in the future in the hopes of making this section readable and enjoyable again. Yes. (not limited to brexit or either side or whatever. just in general)

Basically.

What I mean by tit for tat rubbish.

I wouldn't say there were any examples of true racism they would've been removed anyway, but the bigotry is real.
It's a bitter pill to swallow when that is leveled at you I guess, but when bigoted things are said then throwing a spotlight on them shouldn't be that unexpected on a debate forum surely?

I don't think anyone has a problem with anyone making threads regardless of how many it is.

It's the content of the threads that gets discussed and that is fair play.

Yes I definitely agree with this too.

I have some pretty strong views on transgender matters at the moment. I am well aware that this topic is emotive and that people hold extremely strong opinions on it. If I make a thread stating my views, I actually kind of expect someone to call me transphobic. If comeone called me it, I am willing to give my opinion on why I think I am not transphobic. I would not take 'transphobic' as an insult. Its par for the course in debates really, especially on matters that inspire such strong responses in people.

I have made some posts fairly recently that have been seen by some as being sexist (against men). These members have called me out on this, and a decent discussion followed. Because when the member pointed out that I was sexist in their view, I did not take this as them insulting me and instead saw an opening to ask why they felt that and to open up discussion further. And actually listen to the responses. As a result, I learnt that yes, my opinions may have came across as sexist to someone coming at the topic from a different side to me.

On the other hand, I do not think I have ever made a post that was racist. If someone accused me of posting something racist, I would answer them and tell them that I thought it was unfair to label me racist, and ask them specifically why they found me racist. And go from there.

I mean, maybe its just me or something, but this whole thing, is kind of the main purpose of a debates forum to me. To challenge your own views on stuff and engage with others, not just steamroller your point regardless?

I think people are going to respond with a lack of empathy to the other view if they feel they are being attacked is what I was attempting to put across. People aren't peons of perfection. So to speak. In an ideal world we would all respect another view when disagreement. In reality this doesn't happen.

Yes and no. If someone is making endless threads on one topic and not actually adding anything then I would say yes, its a bit of a problem.

To use myself as an example on this again. I just stated I have strong views on trans issues. I am actually a little obsessed with this topic at the moment and do read a lot about it, from both sides but still tend to be fairly critical of the ideology overall (not individual people..just as an overall thing)

I could easily just make a thread per week on this topic, giving a different gender critical blog that I had found that day, and not much else as the thread. But...what would that gain? I would fully expect people to be sick to the back teeth of the threads, and no actual debate can be had about something thats quite so done to death.

Again, this may be just me personally, but I much prefer quality over quantity.

So if I wanted to focus a lot of energy into that one particular topic I would make one about the proposed changes to the GRC (that I feel will massively detriment females, homosexual people and transsexuals and only straight men will actually benefit) and flog that one out. Then maybe one asking peoples views on sex segregated spaces and if they are needed. And so on. Each time taking the time to fully add my opinion to the OP, and be willing to defend my position, or even change my views, throughout the topic. Things like this can actually inspire discussion. And if my threads went unanswered..well bully for me. Seems others aren't interested in debating and debating with ones self is pointless. Maybe at this stage I would seek out discussion on that singular topic elsewhere.

I don't think a bunch of trans threads would go down too well on here and I don't want to spam. So I maybe start one every now and again or when theres new news..and besides that I head over to mumsnet where the members there are fully switched on about the issue and discussing it fairly regularly. I don't ever feel I shouldn't start a topic on the issue here. Rather, I don't see the point in just starting a bunch of threads on exactly the same topic as I prefer to debate than just give my view and thats that :shrug:

Equally I could just scour the papers for different news stories, link just a single link, no opinion or anything and simply put 'discuss' but this would be pointless also to me :S

This may just be personal preference, but to me, this is what a debate topic is about, actually debating and giving your own opinion on stuff. If anyone disagrees with me, please tell me why this is and what they think a debates forum should be for? As this may be part of the disconnect between me and a few members.

I enjoyed that thread Vicky. It was a good example of how debate topics should work. I think most of us came away from that feeling like we'd had a really worthwhile discussion. I didn't agree with a lot of what you said in that thread but because you came across as thoughtful and reasonable, I respected and even learnt a lot about why have the opinion you do.

Yeah. I'm Muslim. I used to call out some of the ignorance on here in terms of that and what Black people supposedly shouldn't be offended by, but nowadays I don't bother tbh.

Strike me surprised. I would never have guessed!

salam aleykum :hee:

Let me live. :worry:


But yeah, I see what you mean. [emoji23]

I literally have no idea, I am not on here very much in the evening when it all goes on, and if I am I'm not in the chat threads, I know he did something but then many people are banned and not all have done stuff worthy of involving the police