Oh lots of dancing around a simple question Liam. Were you referring to me as one of those people when you said what you said, it seemed to me that you were considering you were talking about a point I made (even though you also claim I made no "actual point")

Everyone knows what Liam was saying. It's very much his MO to be insulting and then deny it and argue semantics.

Would you at least respect their pronoun-choice?

The reality for female competitors here :

I more often than not indulge preferred pronouns, whatever I think.

so upsetting to watch that

at least Lia Thomas is being fully accommodated though even it it is at the expense of women and that seems to be A OK with some people

Like they would respect a person who didn't?

I remember that celeb BB with Ann Widdecombe and that really annoying trans person where she was basically sitting there waiting 24 hours a day for them to slip up. That type of behaviour gets all the contempt from me that it deserves

I was listening to an interview with Riley and she went into the Locker Room situation a little more. When she asked the officials about Lia in the female changing room, she was told that in order for them to accommodate Lia, they'd made the Locker Room Unisex, told none of the girls that before they went in and started undressing so in theory any man at all could strolled in there while they were changing and they could say nothing about it.

Wish I had identified as a women for this week so I could walk about in a summers dress getting air in me bollox.

No-one would have the balls to stop a demented Scotsman wearing whatsoever he wants!:)

absolute joke, and just shows the arrogance that Lia is quite happy to make others uncomfortable, its a power trip

Is not too late, you can wake up tomorrow and do just that....then change your mind next week when the weather cools down....thats how mad self ID is

I've already decided to be a dog, my salt deficiency demands it.:blush:

Do I need to squat on the floor with one leg cocked for you to understand.:shrug:

thats just a couple of miles away from where i lived as a kid :laugh:

The main thing that bothers me about this isn't the teachers personal stance - it's how quickly he goes to "dictate" rather than "debate". But that's not really anything new in schools, to be fair.

In this case it seems pretty clear that he's no-debating the issue because he doesn't actually have good or solid debate points on the topic and he knows it. He can't debate it so defaults to "this isn't up for discussion".

Well that's pretty standard for some topics.

to be fair it's not just transgender issues these days. The intellectual level of people has fallen off a cliff. They just don't listen to any other point of view and insult anyone who dares to voice an alternative view

Yes, it's a very pick a side type of mentality and I think that's certainly come from social media and the internet. People aren't thinking things through for themselves so much anymore

When I did Philosophy at Uni level, one of the first things they taught on the subject (which is, effectively, the study of thinking) is that there are no "wrong answers", only "poor arguments". That a stance you don't agree with should still be respected if the person stating it can explain their reasoning and logic well. You'll find that eventually there's a premise that you disagree on and that leads to the divergence of opinion, but that's OK... It's still a well reasoned personal opinion.

If someone CANNOT or REFUSES TO do that then in all likelihood, the opinion hasn't been formed by themselves, it's been indoctrinated by or copied from someone else.

I wonder if they still teach that? I imagine there'd be a lot of kickback...

Well Kathleen Stock was a professor of Philosophy so......... I'd imagine she tried to teach that in her class before her students decided that's not how it should be taught :laugh: