Of course it's a con. Labour are as much in thrall to corporate interests these days, as the tories. Starmer has already made backroom deals to not interfere with water, and I daresay he's made them with energy, too.

Yes that stinks

Literally, with our sh1t filled rivers, lakes, and oceans.

Good on SkyNewsHD
doing a Political Hub on a Saturday

A clip of George Galloway, no less


Sad BBC now stuck on Worldwide shows
Bugger all to do with us.

Some services just shouldn't be in the private sector, it's as simple as that. The population can quite literally die when you mess with our water and sewage, so we handed it off to the private sector. I was a very loud opponent when it was introduced

Don't vote labour

Hoping someone will bring this up at the live debates? not counting on it though

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From Trevor Phillips Live

Labour's Yvette Cooper
did not recognise the story?


Trevor told her from the Newspapers
A Special Needs Private School has Closed.
Because of the New Labour Tax level due to come in.

He asked her about those children

No answer from her.

I watched Starmer
yesterday he went to do up his jacket,
but then stopped

He does not want to look Tubby........

…^^…that particular school has in the past had quite a ‘troubled’ relationship with Ofsted reports…and over the years the pupil numbers on roll have dropped to around a half of what they were at their highest, so I think it wasn’t sustainable to keep open either, sadly…I think that’s yet another misleading and inaccurate statement to say it’s Labour tax due to come in…

Shame she did not have that data

Don't tell Martin Neumaier about that.


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He'll finger lick it good.:hehe:

…I feel that data is very overrated in the current vogue in general but especially and election times…it spoils the storyline plot somewhat…

So I think this is a thing, vote Green instead of Labour? then I hear 'hold your nose and vote Labour to get the Tories out' which makes a bit more sense even if you hate Labour but hate the Tories more, so my question is what will voting Green achieve? is it more of a protest vote or do you think if the campaign gains momentum...pun....they have a chance of forming a coalition with Labour, I am confused as to what voting Green will achieve... @The Slim Reaper

Personally in light of what Cherie says.
I actually think a Labour/Green coalition would be a good thing .

However to really break through the Green's need PR as in fact Reform would too

PR will never come from the Cons.
The Labour movement now does want it
However Starmer who also is open to it doesn't consider a policy for inclusion in this election's manifesto.
Huh!

It will though come from LABOUR and it has to be presented as policy by one of the 2 big Parties
The Cons will never adopt it.

So even with likely 15% of the votes, both the Greens and Reform could not hope for more than 2 or 3 seats in this first past the post election the UK has.
That number of seats isn't going to help either the Green's or Reform in parliament.

Under this electoral system there's really only one sure way to get rid of the Cons in government and that's voting Labour.
That's just the really sad fact of the dinosaur like electoral system..
Equally too, to stop Labour winning, then the surest way is to vote Conservative because of this voting system.

Under PR and I know I'm like a stuck record on this.
Then coalition government would be the norm, no one Party having absolute power.
So in my view, more moderation of policies, more compromise and even possibly 3 Parties working together in government.
What a pleasant change that would bring about and be.
In my opinion anyway.

Joey

Starmer will not do PR
he is agitated

Green
Terrible they have Extreme Muslims
in their party NOW


They are infected - so to speak


No way touch that

I'm not sure about it being a thing, but all I mean by it is that the numbers skew so heavily in labours favour, that there is absolutely no avoiding the impending landslide the tories have got coming their way in just over a months time, which means it's a truly rare election when it really is a free vote to vote our consciences. There won't be a coalition government this go round, but greens are going to be the only party that challenges the government (the lab one) on any of the issues around water, energy, or the environment as a whole, so setting them up for future elections to try and build some momentum (pun back at ya) is really important. To me, at least.

The greens aren't placed to do massively great things this election. They will pick up a couple of seats, with some quite major victories around Bristol, but the more people that don't vote labour, the better.. Labour underperforming is the best result to hope for, and might actually begin to hold starmer to account.

Not in this election but he cannot ignore repeatedly the overwhelming vote for it at Labour conferences.

I think you are misguided there arista, I think he will be playing it as a probable trump card in the election of 2028/29.
However he has to win this one first and despite the polls, that isn't going to be that guaranteed.
I don't believe the lead is as high as the polls are stating.

We in the membership are certainly not going to shut up about PR.
It's coming and it will have the Conservative Party panicking.

Every other Party in Westminster wants it.
Including the Labour movement now too.

Joey, if labour end up with over 400 seats in the election, there is no way they will suggest PR :laugh:

It's in their interests to keep the current system