Not at all, not that it has anything to do with you or anyone else.

I enjoy his posts, they are relevant, he doesn't just attack others for no reason, most of what he says I agree with and therefore he saves me a lot of time by my being able to agree with him.

I doubt there is any law in expressing agreement with someone on important matters,I do so with Kazanne, Angus58 and I have also done so with you many times too.

It is nice to be more community like and not only agree with others, but also to express that agreement,just maybe one day you may decide to try it too.

What sorts of psychologists were they? I thought that was just conjecture from the gutter press and politicians. It always seemed weird to me. The press wanted to have their cake and eat it. To have Venables held fully responsible for his own actions and for him to do time in an adult prison, but it also wanted to blame dumb horror/slasher movies and the way they influenced poor impressionable children, taking no account of the sort of fundamental parental neglect that leads somebody to act in such a way. The equivalent to blaming the Columbine Massacre on first-person shooter games.

Ironic then that the press may inadvertantly have gotten Venables a lighter sentence.

Repeatedly saying he agrees with other peoples posts, using foul language and describing how he would like to cut the hands off or murder the "b******s" is hardly constructive.

Well that is why I have queried whether those were the facts or not. Kazanne has the greatest knowledge on this issue because of her personal involvement with the family; I am trying to recall the details nearly 20 years later.

And yes, you are right, parental neglect is a massive influence on delinquent children. If the "Child's Play" story is true, then what on earth were these parents doing allowing ten year olds to watch an x rated movie? It's about time the parents of delinquent children were prosecuted for their failure to bring up their children properly, because society pays the price later on.

You can say its unbelievable that a woman drew her curtains but you can't say you wouldn't do the same in that situation. You'd like to think you wouldn't but a lot of people diminish responsibility and expect someone else to do it. Its a strange psychological concept and has been proven time and time again, most notably with Kitty Genovese who was murdered graphically in full view public and all the residents could do was pull their sofas up to the window to get a better view whilst sat down, NOT phone the police or an ambulance! There are loads of follow up studies to see how bystanders react and they all lead to pretty much the same conclusion.

Are you saying that if I say I agree with him that because I say that I should be questioned as to whether I know him or not, what has that to do with the topic?

I can't see where there any laws against agreeing with people. Also I am not the only one to commend him,I take into account his age and also hearing some comments from othhers on here, he is far more easy to agree with than many.
He has strong views, most of the people I know and have around me are saying very much what he says.even stronger too.
I am afraid I don't get your point, I have not had any communications with you and I answered a personal question from InOne anyway.
I don't get your point.Sorry. However it seems simply that you do not agree with him and I do agree with him, and what on earth is wrong with either of those positions?

I just don't see any logic in what you're saying joey. It astounds me.

I have got digitally enhanced photos of those two of how they might look like now,and sometimes I am VERY tempted to post them,but it wouldn't be fair on anyone looking remotely like them,but as i said it IS tempting.

I answered your question,not because I had to but choose to, however, this thread started by Angus58, is a very important one with strong emotions on all sides of the debate.
It is not a place however for me to deal with personal questions to me,or respond to unfair attacks on me or general attacks as to what or whom I agree with.
If you have anything to say to me then please pm me,I will not be drawn into belittling this important thread,having to justify myself to anyone and I really don't see why I should have to anyway InOne.
Feel free to contact me via pm if you wish to say any more to me please.

It is clear this is a case very close to your heart kazanne, I believe,am I right that a paper wanted to do something like that a few years back but were stopped or advise at least not to by the Home office.

oh fgs:shocked: that is just terrible, I never knew any of that. jesus that had to be one of the most upsetting cases I've seen in my lifetime

A far more dignified response than either InOne or Josy deserve! What is it with this forum that people think they have the right to question friendships with other FMs? It's intrusive and bloody rude. Fair enough to debate the topic in hand, but personal interactions between FMs should be respected. Is there any need for the snide digs and heckling? it's bordering on bullying.

The British press are not allowed to print any pictures of what they look like now(well we have to protect these barstewerts,don't we?).It was an American company who enhanced the photos,there is also one of James and how he would have looked now,and a very handsome chap he would have been.

It WAS picked up by the press and they had a field day with it,but reports do say that they did watch horror movies,not just 'Childs Play' they also tortured animals,but I STILL do not believe the films were their motive,imo it was a cop out by those that hadn't got an answer,even Albert Kirby the detective at the time said the crime was horrendous,grown men were crying.And some people want these two perverts left in peace!!!

Have you come in here just to have a pop at Jedward or have you something to say on the subject?

I suggest you re read what I posted, I have no interest in wether you know jedward fever or not, I never once mentioned that I agree or disagree with him or that it was wrong of you to agree with him so I have no idea were that came from, what I did mean with my last post was that you keep posting how constructive, mature and well though out his posts have been in this thread, I disagree with this, I dont find his repetitive posts about how he would do this or that to certain people constructive in the slightest and if you have a problem with that then sorry but thats my opinion.

Not to be rude here Angus but who are you to tell anyone what kind of response I deserve? I never once mentioned joeysteele or jedward fevers friendship ANYWERE in my post, I was posting an opinion so in future try and read things properly before before being so "rude", im now bowing out of this thread as I wouldnt want anymore accusations of bias mods, protecting their own etc to ruin what has turned out to be a very interesting debate.

Yet you still felt the need to comment on Joeysteele's admiration of jedward fever.:rolleyes: If that isn't rude and intrusive I don't know what is. Why not just address your disapproval of jedward fever's posting style to him directly? Oh, but wait, that would also be rude and intrusive since he is entitled to his opinions, and so long as he's not breaking any rules, he's entitled to express himself any which way he wants. I would also point out that my remarks were addressed to joeysteele and not to you and, as you say, if you are free to criticise other FMs indirectly, so am I.

Thak you very much indeed Angus58, I can't for the life of me see what I am doing wrong to get these unwarranted comments made to me in these posts but then I am very new to forums so don't understand the politics of it maybe.
Thank you Angus58 for your support, and between some and jedward fever, I know who I would rather deal with. Thank you very much again.
As I said though,anyone can pm me if they want to ask 'me' something, this thread is not the place.

I had this argument yesterday about the same thing. How on earth is it anybody else's business which FMs you get on with and why?

I recalled reading that some had been done, I knew you would be able to clarify the matter.

It is the most horrible thing I read about,It was all just so horrific. Awful.

I thought that too, I will however continue to choose who I get on with and not have who I can get on with be dictated to me by others.

This thread has I have to say, opened a lot of people's eyes to the original issues you raised at the start, I had my reservations as to capital punishment, when this thread started,I started discussing with my Friends the James Bulger case and also child abuse in general, the emotions were amazing, everyone very strong in their opinions and many far more intolerant towards the abusers than even some of jedwards statements are.
It has changed my view considerably, your arguments, kazannes, jedwards and others, and even those I have mostly not agreed with have come up with some good points too.

I now believe the law needs to be massively changed, zero tolerance on this issue and if it is the best we can get as to sentencing the guilty,being life imprisonment then I am with those who advocate that abusers must never come back into society at all.

This really has been /is a truly brilliant and enlightening thread so massive congratulations to you for starting it off

Yeah, I understand completely. My sister in law worked for the home office at the time of their release and although didn't deal with them directly, I think she dealt with some of the paperwork involved.. I remember thing WTF? when she was telling me the lengths that are gone to protect these animals.. their new locations, their new identities.. basically anything they want ! It's disgraceful.

Same goes for Baby P's mum! She should be released from prison into the hands of the public, not given the life of Riley at the hands of the taxpayer!

You are correct,There is also so much protection for them,the abusers but so little support for the families of the children killed or traumatised by the abuse.

When you think how long ago the James Bulger murder was,that poor little lad,it was horrific. Yet still children are being abused, sexually abused and murdered,.

When are the lessons going to be really learned and then make sure as best as possible that it never happens again but much more to the point that once caught and found guilty at least those abusers 'never' ever get the chanvce to in any way harm a child again and there are only 2 ways to ensure that, capital punishment or when senteneced to life in prison, it is for the 'full' rest of their lives.Not just a few years.

Yeah, I agree entirely. There is no way that evil like that should be allowed to freely live amongst others!

[QUOTE=Josy;3833584]I suggest you re read what I posted, I have no interest in wether you know jedward fever or not, I never once mentioned that I agree or disagree with him or that it was wrong of you to agree with him so I have no idea were that came from, what I did mean with my last post was that you keep posting how constructive, mature and well though out his posts have been in this thread, I disagree with this, I dont find his repetitive posts about how he would do this or that to certain people constructive in the slightest and if you have a problem with that then sorry but thats my opinion.



I respect all people even those I disagree with, you directly posted to me as to my support for someone else who posts on here.
I have no problem at all with you not finding another persons posts constructive. I also personally have no problem with you but it seems for some reason you have a problem with me. However that too is your right.

The blame for this farcical justice system lies with the Labour Party who are also responsible for the introduction of the iniquitous Human Rights legislation gleefully being exploited by every criminal, terrorist and illegal immigrant. Now we have the libdems putting a spanner in the works to try and prevent its repeal.:rolleyes:

I think the human rights act needs to be repealed for the UK too or at least completely re-drafted.
These things that change the constitution of a Nation or its current rulings,should only be implemented after asking the people in a referendum,I don't get why the question 'should we re-negotiate the human rights act' cannot be asked to the people of the UK in a referendum, if the people then will it so, then the EU would have to at least go some way to appeasing that view.

Evil,is a word that gets misused a lot and I rarely use it but considering all the issues as to sexually abusing a child I have to say that it is really the only word that fits these crimes.

Did you know Angus,Michael Howard wanted Jamess' killers to get at least 15 years then it was taken to the court of European Rights and Jack Straw agreed to drop the sentence to 8 years as it was said they were tried unfairly!!!!One was sent to Barton Moss secure centre the other somewhere else.They are NOT being monitored properly as one of the conditions of them being set free was to never set foot in Liverpool again,and Thompson clearly has as he was seen,one day I hope their luck runs out,they say the devil looks after his own,he is certainly looking after them,but i believe in karma ,so I can wait!

She will be out in a couple of years with everything she needs,new house,car and identity,makes a sane person mad!!

Thompson has a four year old child of his own with an ex girlfriend who still has no idea he was a child killer. Jesus, if that isn't obscene, I don't know what is. As I've already said Human Rights legislation must be scrapped because it is being exploited by lowlife scum who have no business invoking THEIR human rights when they have deprived others of their human right to LIVE.

It does make you mad and rightly so. These are massive injustices not justice being duly done. Little wonder people get so angry, financial crimes get longer prison sentences than these wicked people do.

I argued this point with someone,that the mother of that child SHOULD have been told who he was AND the girls family,it could be any of our friends or neighbours,where are OUR rights to know where these deviants live,the government of the time have basically LIED to all these people,but then again the system is good at that!!

I didn't agree with them being released at all,but since they were I think the very least that was done should have been to slap in conditions of firstly having no solo contact with any minor and also to never have children either.

For the person who asked me if i could back my post up about robbers getting longer jail; sentences than murderers,here is just a snippet of ONE such example,you can read the whole thing by clicking the link.

All six gang members were convicted of conspiracy to rob.

Michael Carroll was sentenced to 18 years; Ian McDonald, 32, Thomas Carrigan, 30, Robert Harper, 27, and Healy's brother James, 27, were all given 16-year sentences.

Carrigan's and Harper's sentences will run concurrently to 17-year terms imposed on them at Norwich in May for two bank robberies.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...d-1460406.html

I would have gone further and sterilised them before release.

Definately,I couldn't agree more.

That would likely be not allowed under the human rights thing again though, It is time that was done away with.

Excellent example kazanne.

Eh, what the hell happened there?