Hi Vicks - did you celebrate much on yer Malibu :cheer2:

Are you forgetting that 'back in the first weeks' nearly EVERYONE was putting Freddie up for eviction....including Marcus! :rolleyes:

Exactly! :thumbs:

Quite. The party ended quite early in here though didnt it?!

Never seen such a bunch of lightweights in my life :laugh:

Halfar$e is a tool - nfortunately people keep forgetting this so will win BB10 and x Factor and Christmas No1 Honest! :thumbs:

I'm not sure if gender has a role to play in it or not, that's a question for the people who seem to think it's ok for one person to behave in a certain way, whilst calling someone else evil for doing the same thing.
Maybe it's down to some form of loyalty which prevents people being objective?
Whether her appearance and sexual orientation have a small part to play for a few people, i've seen a number of derogatory comments from that angle.
Whilst Markus has been on a bit of a journey (he even said himself last week bb couldn't have done any more to make him look good), Lisa is very rarely shown having her good moments in there, so the viewer can't have any sympathy for Lisa when pretty much all they see is her sat on a bench smoking and having a bitch.....

Great points. :thumbs: It's a pity more people don't actually THINK things through like you do, and see what is ACTUALLY happening, instead of just picking on an easy target like Lisa to hate for very little reason and running with that whatever else happens.
It's weird :conf:

A Malibu hangover must be awful Vicks :laugh2: A mars bar and pint of diluting orange is my worst - leaves you with taste of Terry's Chocolate Orange when reappears! So Malibu is out of order :elephant:

:thumbs: Thanks for your reply on that slant of the situation.

I think it plays a large part, because I've seen MANY derogatory posts from that angle. The hate for Lisa and the horrible, vicious things said about her are way over the top. You'd think she was a mass murderer or something. It's sad and disturbing to see such hate directed at someone for being a not very articulate, butch lesbian who is on the dole - in todays so called enlightened society.
Bea has been so much more horrible and manipulative, but because she is a straight, educated, attractive female from a privileged background she gets more of a pass.

Look at the Freddie situation - Lisa found Freddie very annoying at the start (like MOST of the HM's, remember) and she didn't hide her feelings. It was all upfront and 'out there'. It wasn't pleasant, but at least we knew what we were getting.

Bea, on the other hand, had heard Freddie was popular with the public and was all over him like a rash from the moment she stepped into the house. Then she found that he annoyed her, too, and ever since she has been putting him down in the most sneaky, devious little ways to try to sway the public against him, and at the same time sending him mixed signals to keep him wanting her - making him look foolish.

Give me Lisa and her bluster any day against that poisonous snake who is Bea.

Exactly.

A very well balanced post. You have it all in a nutshell. Well said.:cheer2:

Jet I almost always find myself agreeing with your postings. Well said.

Just get the old hag out!!!!

She is just a disgusting advert for tobacco manufacturers!!

love lisa have from day one , she has opinions yeah but whats wrong with that

Are you talking about Bea? She smokes like a chimney. :wink:

Thank you! :kiss:

:thumbs::cheer::banana:

Lisa was born with a fag in her mouth!!

Are you her Mammy? That must have been painful for you! :laugh2:

Yeah ... I chit her out!!!

It's the way things seem to work in our society at the moment. It's fine for katy perry to write a song about kissing girls, it's fine for the likes of britney spears and madonna to kiss at the mtv awards, it's fine for female friends to kiss in a club to tease the fella's when they're drunk, but if you're actually gay (femme, tomboy, butch, whatever) then the prejudices for some individuals come out of the woodwork.
Yeah i can understand people not being impressed with her being on the dole when they have to go out to work everyday, whilst she seems to make excuses. No she's not articulate, and when in the midst of an arguement is incapable of listening and having a rational discussion about the situation. Yes she sits there and bitches about other housemates....the whole boasting about being able to turn straight women was pretty embarrasing.....for me those things don't make someone evil, unpleasant, lazy, but not evil.




Lisa had a personality clash with Freddie and Markus, whilst Bea seems to be giving most people in there a hard time. Definately a lot more manipulative, once again i find her unpleasant. I was having a discussion with someone the other day, we both went to a pretty decent uni where binge drinking was a massive part of life. The stuff people got away with was pretty spectacular, if it was any other 18 years out on the town, they'd have most certainly been arrested, you look at white collar crime and the people who get away with millions of pounds....so i'd definately agree in certain circumstances your background can have an impact on the way your behaviour is percieved and what you can get away with.



From the start i found Freddie annoying, but I also think Lisa went to far at times and was pretty disrespectful when she could have just walked away and said nothing....It's not nice to see anyone being isolated, at the same time, freddie seemed to lack any self awareness as to why his behaviour may have annoyed people in the house....still doesn't justify the way he was treated...the hide and seek situation, the putting the bed in the toilet were nasty (although lisa was not directly involved in such incidents).

Quite, at least Lisa stuck by her 'friends' and showed some loyalty. I'm trying to work out Bea's motivation for going in to the show. Is it for the money? Because if she's intelligent as she thinks she is, then she must be aware the public will see the way she's treating the people in the house, and she won't exactly get a pat on the back for it when she leaves...

I never thought she did much wrong in the past, well not as much to justify the hate she got. It's just a case of fans over reacting. If it was a choice between her and Bea though I'd kick Lisa out.

Most are fickle and jump on a band wagon as soon as someone puts something in their heads.

a_ 2009, thanks for the feedback, I appreciated your intelligent comments. :wavey:

Bea’s motivation? My opinion: She has an over - inflated view of her own importance and smartness, and probably went into the house to demonstrate how awesome she thinks she is. I think she loves the thought of sussing out all the HM’s for us and exposing them for the idiots they are - one by one. All for OUR benefit, of course. :rolleyes:

She’s an arrogant, up - her - own - arse manipulator which she tries to disguise in the house by the goody - two- shoes, scatty, ‘I just want to help’ persona she puts on. I bet she thinks we just LOVE her, and are in awe of her powers of discrimination and detection. :yuk: