But Halfwit nods diligently to it all and agrees with her on everything. You know that. And I was referring to the thread title, not just Freddie. I will agree that Bea is worse than Freddie, prejudice wise.

Thank you so much. What you have said means a lot to me. :kiss:

He nods and agrees with everything most people say.

Doesnt mean he agrees as such.

Bea IS snobby and quite prejudiced...but freddie isnt.

Before bea he never once came across that way, and saying he agrees with her is him being prejudiced is ludicrous. He would agree with her if she said the moon was made of cheese :rolleyes:

Indeed, Halfwit was actually right about Hira because she did have a bitchy side ~ talking about other HMs behind their back, for example. But David was right about Halfwits inability to judge others' character acurately ~ he hasn't judged Bea very well IMO.

I agree with AhmedFan2004, that both Bea and Freddie are priviledged but DON'T deserve it.

Bea in particular, who seems to be 'playing boho', as an act of rebellion towards her father, whom she "hasn't had anything from that man in seven years" is acting out her animosity in quite a self-destructive manner, IMO. Now, she hasn't had anything from 'daddy' in 7 years and she's been sacked from every single job...so, where's her dosh coming from? Grandma? Dole? Trust Fund? Sugar-Daddy?

If she's not earning her money herself, she has no right (nobody does) to look down on anyone less fortunate than herself...:nono:

Can I just point out the obvious thing here? That Freddie doesn't bring most of these things up on his own, it's not like he's going around to Lisa or David or other HMs and saying "I have a tennis court" or "my house has 70 rooms" ect, most of the time he is replying directly to Bea when she asks questions. She was the one who asked him if he has a tennis court, and how many room his house has, ect. I don't recall Freddie ever looking down his nose at anyone due to their lack of wealth.

Well that's my point, he's programmed by her, so that's what he thinks.

But his attitude towards the dole etc implies a lot of things IMO.

People say that Lisa hated Freddie for being rich, so why can't the reverse apply?

I don't agree with that 100%, he did tell her she was in the wrong with something she said about Marcus last week, and he does put across his own opinions on certain things.

When it comes to Lisa and David though he just nods and agrees and laughs at everything she says.

Maybe he feels he has the right to do that with regard to Lisa, after the way she treated him in earlier weeks, but he has no reason to agree with the things she says about David, he's done nothing wrong to Freddie.

I didnt see him tell her she was wrong with whatever she said about marcus.

Since she came in he appears to have just become a nodding dog, blinded by her pussy to be honest.

No people say it appeared she hated freddie for being rich, because she took against him almost instantly, as did others...for no good reason that WE could see. (Because there is no LF no doubt...he probably is quite annoying all the time, but we dont see that side)

Theres a difference between saying it looks like something, and it IS something.

Plus..we are back to yesterday...freddie himself is not rich. He paints faces for beer money FGS :rolleyes:

Ok, while I do concede that Bea has shown far more overt signs of blatant elitism, I firmly believe that snobbery is more of a state of mind rather than an exclusive club for the rich. It's in your behaviour and how you treat others that class divisions are truly demonstrated, and I do see indications of a massive gulf developing between the different members of the house.

The targeting of David was a crucial development in the divide, with Freddie tirading him over his association with Lisa and suggesting that he's only friends with her because of some devious gameplan that they've concocted. What? Where did that spring from?

It's in your actions that you define where you stand on certain things and I don't for one moment think that these groups are forming again accidently.
Bea and Halfwit have played huge parts in creating this divide within the house, with their constant bitching and airs and graces.

Even in their speech they have an uncanny ability to create unease with some of the less intellectual people within the house, and I'm not sure if it's not an intentional method on their parts to isolate themselves from the more common people within the house. Sorry, hate using the word common, but you know what I mean.

Well it's a strange world where people are happy to see somebody miserable and isolated, as Freddie was, rather than somebody who has come through and has confidence.

I haven't seen anything to suggest Freddie hates Lisa because she’s on the dole: it’s entirely personal.

Freddie has made an alliance with Bea through having common ground mixed with a little lust. At this stage of the game they could become the power in the house, especially if Lisa should go next week.

I agree with that. :thumbs:

IMO, I think Freddie felt all at sea and 'different' and too eager to please at first. So he tried to use use his ‘intelligence’ to create divides of ‘them and us’ within the house, according to social status, in the guise of a ‘victim’. He tried it early on with various HM’s and it didn’t wash. He just came across as irritating and annoying and it got nearly all of the HM’s backs up. I don’t think he did it intentionally - it was a survival ploy and defense mechanism to gather like - minded HM’s to his side because he probably felt like a fish out of water. But then along came his Queen Bea who had the same mindset - and the stage was set for Freddie’s downfall with the public.

I think Freddie doesn't have a clue about the real world and the social issues that are a cold, hard fact of life for the majority of ordinary people in the UK - the UK where he aspires to be a politician! His ideology is totally warped and unrealistic - much like a child who wants to drive a big red shiny fire engine, or be a famous footballer. He has as much chance of succeeding in politics as Marcus has of being a sexy pin up in Playboy magazine.

He's intrinsically weak, and he doesn't have much of a personality of his own - it is defined by those who influence him - as has been evidenced by his latching on to Bea, whose early flattery made him feel substantial. When she was dropping him like a hot potato, he felt the need to come over all masterful - in HIS eyes - (the David and Lisa episode - influenced by Bea's opinions.)
If he was trying to give Lisa a taste of her own street - wise, 'tell it like it is' bluster, he failed abysmally. In truth, he just came across as maniacal, condescending and a right tit. His attack on David shows to an absolute T how he takes Bea's opinions as his own - to a frightening degree.
Truth be told, he's a weak man in too any ways - and not someone who would be a worthy BB winner. Just my opinion. Which is long assed - SORRY! :bigsmile:

Why do you think he was miserable and isolated? Do you think it was of his own making, or the making of others? No - one else was isolated. Don't you think that points to it being a 'Freddie' problem - not the fault of everyone else?

As much as I abhor the Freddie/Bea axis of evil thing Freddie is simply smitten, its not a question of strength of character, he has proven that the odd time, remember that he was virtually isolated(either by the others or self imposed, well thats subjective) to all intents and purposes for the first 5 weeks in the house with Siavash throwing him the odd bone.

Freddie wont disagree with bea while he thinks there is a chance, he is very immature in his relationships with women in my opinion, and he seems to be following the lead of marcus in some ways, follow her round be there for her and occasionally ask for something in return, the odd sherman, a kiss or cuddle, while not as obvious as Marcus you can clearly see the fact he is smitten.

Last night should have been a wake up to freddie, maybe today when he goes to his little Freddie place and connects to the planet(incidentally its called grounding and centering) his inner self will tell him to get a grip stop acting the tw@t and put the ginger stirrer in her place.

He might also want to think about removing himself from the area when he gets a lazy lob on (a semi) instead of standing there with a daft smile on his face like some sort of ******. ( oh gosh look bea Ones getting a boner)