You're wrong. David has gone in there and made genuine friends. People actually like him. That's more than can be said for Freddie who was picked on and has not really made any friends - Bea's using him and Siavash and Marcus have both slagged him off saying they don't really like him. Both have also nominated him at least once. Freddie is also a bad judge of character; he's totally overestimated David's capacities and Lisa's influence. He thinks Bea is a kind person who's not two faced and he thinks that Hira was fake [/quote]

What has Freddie got to do with it?? We're talking about David

I think she was quite right in not wanting to get Freddy to break the rules (I thought they had to be nominated) in the manner Tom and Ken wanted but yes she didn't do herself no favors with the matyr roll but surely he could have tried harder.
Marcus is a bit pathetic, as most Marcus fans would admit but it doesn't retract from the fact that he has a hidden spiteful side

He wasn't actually blaming her as such I don't think.
This was the start of David's problems and issues with Bea, and a big reason why I feel sorry for her over that issue.

When it was revealed (by Kenny and Tom) that they had failed the task and that Bea had refused to participate at all, Bea stated that she came under a lot of pressure to stab Freddy in the back.

David immediately took the hump and stormed off to the garden, saying that Bea was making him look bad and hated in the house.

HOWEVER, what Bea actually said was that she came under tremendous pressure, almost entirely from Ken and Tom...so basically she was sticking up for David and Hira...

Had David actually listened, he would have had a very different view.

It was the same with the Bea / David argument over food. It was actually Marcus and Freddy who were accusing David of stealing food, Bea said that she had NOT noticed that and was sticking up for him. But David chose that moment to walk in and start helping himself to butter which wasn't actually his.

These were two misunderstandings which led to huge arguments, particularly as every time Bea tried to get to the bottom of it, David refused to say what his problem was.

And as I say, David wasn't helped in either case by Lisa sticking her oar in and encouraging his paranoia.

Which is why I always say that I think David could blossom without Lisa.

He's no rocket scientist, that's true, and some of the things he does make me want to puke, but I do believe that he could be a good housemate in the right circumstances...ie, without Lisa.

I have no problem with her not doing the secret task but don't crucify the rest of the new housemates for playing the game. And don't forget that she was involved in playing Noirin, even though she was adamant about having played no part in the whole affair.

And the whole thing with Marcus was bound to explode in that heated enviroment. It wouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to see that Marcus had no time for him at all, and David was right about certain things in relation to him and his pathetic antics over the week. David never raised his voice while saying it to him, whereas Marcus looked ready to explode, leaning towards him with a fair amount of rage in his face.

ty for a great post
He should have been more open
A friend if he likes you a nightmare if he don't.
One thing I didn't like him for was because he nominated Marcus sorely for the fact that Marcus didn't throw himself a 100% into welcoming him in

As I've said above, she didn't vilify all of the new housemates, she (rightly) singled out Ken and Tom, she absolved David and Hira.

This was why Tom and Ken had such a problem with her.

David's problem was that he didn't listen to the conversation properly - and neither did many viewers.

Her words were something like:

"I came under tremendous pressure to go along with it and I have to say, in fairness, that it was almost entirely from Tom and Ken".

I didn't crucify anyone.
She played Noirin but that was just plain fun to watch
and David said this about him the day(s) before when Marcus and Roddy fell out. Spilling his guts to Lisa, Charlie and David

But that really is the point of this whole thread..... David is a genuine and caring individual. His anger at Bea was not motivated by self interest - he felt that Bea had left others out to twist in the wind. I don't think he's obsessed with himself that much; he just wants fair play within the house and felt that she acted poorly in that situation. I can understand that.

Wasn't crucifying you...she was doing it to them. And sure Marcus is pathetic- I think that's very clear by the way he acts in the house. David is merely calling a spade a spade. At least his problems with Marcus have some foundation in truth. Compare this to Marcus, Bea and Halfwits appraisal of him.

well he didn't care enough about Bea to stand up for her when she said she can't do it. also he threw the towel in before that happened.
Marcus is also a genuine and caring person, to who he so chooses like David.
All I said was he has a yang to match his ying.

No, you're getting me wrong, I'm liking David and defending him.

All I'm saying in the interests of fairness is that the Bea stabbing him over the first task scenario is an urban myth...he misunderstood and didn't listen properly, as could be said for many viewers.

The only thing I think he did wrong was bottle things up and not give Bea an opportunity to clear the misunderstanding up.

Now, I'm not entirely defending Bea either, I think she was blameless over that first misunderstanding but played some part in the second one, because she originally defended David but then because he upset her by getting the wrong end of the stick she retaliated by then agreeing with Marcus and Freddy that he was stealing food.

Read my posts, I've said clearly that David could be a good housemate but he is held back by Lisa.

He wasn't there when moron Kenneth had a real go at her and sure it was fairly obvious that it was never going to work when he threw the towel in.

Marcus can be genuine and caring, but it's a times very selective. I don't particularly mind Marcus- he's a wally but very entertaining. I just think it's unwise to compare the two in terms of the anger and hatred..... Marcus leaves David in the haypenny place when it concerns levels of venom.

Tom and Kenny both deserved to be crucified, if sorely based on the fact that they wanted the women to do it and bully them if they don't. (who was working on Noirin?) but Bea didn't involve David or Hira. Hira seemed fine
There is some foundation for Marcus's appraisal but we've known him a lot longer

ps I didn't compare Marcus and him
that was you

Ah that's fair enough. But please dont sympathise with Bea's plight in front of me too often lol. She's well aware of what she's creating within that house.

no denying that but early days was unfair on her

You had me retracing my steps there and now I have a fecking headache. Cheers. lol

Nah, you introduced Marcus to the topic when you mentioned the Marcus is pathetic comments so I thought it might be interesting to compare and contrast the two.

As for Noirin, yes Bea was involved with the attempts to manipulate her. It was shown in the highlights.

Anyway, my head's lifting. The chap is fine.... a decent bloke with a good sense of decency and camaraderie. I don't see a villain or any real malice in him at all. Just think he doesn't accept any bull, which is fair enough as far as I'm concerned.

lol forget about it mate.
I'd like him if it wasn't for Lisa
As I said Bea did involve herself with Noirin and it was fun to watch and she had some balls on her. But I don't wanna argue, we got films in common. I'm gonna go over and seem some pro Marcus threads:tongue:
peace

It's not worth arguing about really. Plus I think Marcus is a legendary housemate, even though he's a totel muppet.

"I have a low tolerance for stupidity so regardless of the lack of malice in him I would not be able to live with him and I would nominate him"

Maybe you didn't mean it that way but that sounded like you were saying you're intelligent and consider yourself above anyone who you deem to be stupid. I don't think it's fair or nice to nominate or exclude someone based on intelligence, especially as there are people in the house who have done things far worse and are actually nasty.

I wasn't slagging Freddie off, I just think it's a good point of comparison to contrast the most intelligent housemate with potentially the stupidest. Freddie himself has admitted that his social intelligence and observations are forced and don't come naturally to him. With David, perhaps because he isn't as intelligent, he doesn't over overanalyse things. He just seems friendly and socialising seems to come naturally to him.

I find him utterly vulgar and cheapo.....without any finesse .GET HIM OUT next week if opportunity presents himself.