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setanta 10-08-2009 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by setantaOk, Charlie may have come out with some cr*p statements regarding Lisa's innocence but the truth is, Freddie and his group discuss tactics on a far more regular basis...... it's all they do for f£cks sake; I'd lose the head with them too eventually if I was in there.
Actually, don't think that is quite right. Freddie has certainly become obsessed with scheming and gameplans. But the thing is it is other people's supposed scheming that he talks about all the time. He has certainly become overly paranoid but it is hard to substantiate the charge that he himself is scheming.
You can see it that way if you like but I see a guy who's fascinated with the game and loves to highlight other peoples supposed tactics in front of anyone who will listen, in the obvious hope that it will sway their judgements. Just because he does it with a smile and articulate discourse doesn't mean that there's any less of a sinister motivation behind it.

It's all he does in that house and I don't for one moment believe that theres no intent in this approach. He realises what he's doing; nodding in agreement with Bea when they crazily attacked David's character..... it's one rule for him and another for the rest? Rubbish, he's one of the worst in there for scheming.

BB22 10-08-2009 08:14 AM
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Originally posted by setantaOk, Charlie may have come out with some cr*p statements regarding Lisa's innocence but the truth is, Freddie and his group discuss tactics on a far more regular basis...... it's all they do for f£cks sake; I'd lose the head with them too eventually if I was in there.
Actually, don't think that is quite right. Freddie has certainly become obsessed with scheming and gameplans. But the thing is it is other people's supposed scheming that he talks about all the time. He has certainly become overly paranoid but it is hard to substantiate the charge that he himself is scheming.
You can see it that way if you like but I see a guy who's fascinated with the game and loves to highlight other peoples supposed tactics in front of anyone who will listen, in the obvious hope that it will sway their judgements. Just because he does it with a smile and articulate discourse doesn't mean that there's any less of a sinister motivation behind it.

It's all he does in that house and I don't for one moment believe that theres no intent in this approach. He realises what he's doing; nodding in agreement with Bea when they crazily attacked David's character..... it's one rule for him and another for the rest? Rubbish, he's one of the worst in there for scheming.
Then we obviously see it differently. :whistle:

I actually think Freddie's paranoia about schemes and plots is fairly easy to understand given the events of the first few weeks. Of course, he has gone too far with his obsession now but there you go. It is not unintelligible.

setanta 10-08-2009 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by setantaOk, Charlie may have come out with some cr*p statements regarding Lisa's innocence but the truth is, Freddie and his group discuss tactics on a far more regular basis...... it's all they do for f£cks sake; I'd lose the head with them too eventually if I was in there.
Actually, don't think that is quite right. Freddie has certainly become obsessed with scheming and gameplans. But the thing is it is other people's supposed scheming that he talks about all the time. He has certainly become overly paranoid but it is hard to substantiate the charge that he himself is scheming.
You can see it that way if you like but I see a guy who's fascinated with the game and loves to highlight other peoples supposed tactics in front of anyone who will listen, in the obvious hope that it will sway their judgements. Just because he does it with a smile and articulate discourse doesn't mean that there's any less of a sinister motivation behind it.

It's all he does in that house and I don't for one moment believe that theres no intent in this approach. He realises what he's doing; nodding in agreement with Bea when they crazily attacked David's character..... it's one rule for him and another for the rest? Rubbish, he's one of the worst in there for scheming.
Then we obviously see it differently. :whistle:

I actually think Freddie's paranoia about schemes and plots is fairly easy to understand given the events of the first few weeks. Of course, he has gone too far with his obsession now but there you go. It is not unintelligible.
Of course it's not unintelligible - that's why he's so deluded in his views. At this stage he actually believes every theory has a solid foundation in truth and is basically gospel. I can't tolerate that kinda cockiness.

Just notice how much he smiles when he's denouncing others behaviour..... it's stealth bombing baby. He disarms them with his smiles and assured, delicate speech while he sews his seeds of discontent and paranoia. It's classic stuff.

BB22 10-08-2009 08:30 AM
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Originally posted by setantaOk, Charlie may have come out with some cr*p statements regarding Lisa's innocence but the truth is, Freddie and his group discuss tactics on a far more regular basis...... it's all they do for f£cks sake; I'd lose the head with them too eventually if I was in there.
Actually, don't think that is quite right. Freddie has certainly become obsessed with scheming and gameplans. But the thing is it is other people's supposed scheming that he talks about all the time. He has certainly become overly paranoid but it is hard to substantiate the charge that he himself is scheming.
You can see it that way if you like but I see a guy who's fascinated with the game and loves to highlight other peoples supposed tactics in front of anyone who will listen, in the obvious hope that it will sway their judgements. Just because he does it with a smile and articulate discourse doesn't mean that there's any less of a sinister motivation behind it.

It's all he does in that house and I don't for one moment believe that theres no intent in this approach. He realises what he's doing; nodding in agreement with Bea when they crazily attacked David's character..... it's one rule for him and another for the rest? Rubbish, he's one of the worst in there for scheming.
Then we obviously see it differently. :whistle:

I actually think Freddie's paranoia about schemes and plots is fairly easy to understand given the events of the first few weeks. Of course, he has gone too far with his obsession now but there you go. It is not unintelligible.
Of course it's not unintelligible - that's why he's so deluded in his views. At this stage he actually believes every theory has a solid foundation in truth and is basically gospel. I can't tolerate that kinda cockiness.
Ummm.... well obviously he would be more deluded if it was unintelligible, that was kind of the point I was making.

Earlier on there was a lot of scheming and plotting, as has been extensively documented and discussed on this forum. I am just pointing out that his paranoia is intelligible in light of earlier events. It is simply that he has carried it too far and it has become a kind of obsession with him. But it is not as if it has come out of nowhere.

setanta 10-08-2009 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by setantaOk, Charlie may have come out with some cr*p statements regarding Lisa's innocence but the truth is, Freddie and his group discuss tactics on a far more regular basis...... it's all they do for f£cks sake; I'd lose the head with them too eventually if I was in there.
Actually, don't think that is quite right. Freddie has certainly become obsessed with scheming and gameplans. But the thing is it is other people's supposed scheming that he talks about all the time. He has certainly become overly paranoid but it is hard to substantiate the charge that he himself is scheming.
You can see it that way if you like but I see a guy who's fascinated with the game and loves to highlight other peoples supposed tactics in front of anyone who will listen, in the obvious hope that it will sway their judgements. Just because he does it with a smile and articulate discourse doesn't mean that there's any less of a sinister motivation behind it.

It's all he does in that house and I don't for one moment believe that theres no intent in this approach. He realises what he's doing; nodding in agreement with Bea when they crazily attacked David's character..... it's one rule for him and another for the rest? Rubbish, he's one of the worst in there for scheming.
Then we obviously see it differently. :whistle:

I actually think Freddie's paranoia about schemes and plots is fairly easy to understand given the events of the first few weeks. Of course, he has gone too far with his obsession now but there you go. It is not unintelligible.
Of course it's not unintelligible - that's why he's so deluded in his views. At this stage he actually believes every theory has a solid foundation in truth and is basically gospel. I can't tolerate that kinda cockiness.
Ummm.... well obviously he would be more deluded if it was unintelligible, that was kind of the point I was making.

Earlier on there was a lot of scheming and plotting, as has been extensively documented and discussed on this forum. I am just pointing out that his paranoia is intelligible in light of earlier events. It is simply that he has carried it too far and it has become a kind of obsession with him. But it is not as if it has come out of nowhere.
He's even more deluded because he actually believes everything he says at this point and he articulates to any housemate who'll listen and, of course, with us in the diary room. Really, how often does he come in to diary room now? Give it a rest Freddie.

It has come from nowhere.... his misgivings now are completely unfounded usually, the whole David scenario being a typical example of his flights of fancy.

But that's not what I'm taking issue with here- I have an issue with anyone who abandons what I had initially thought they had stood for and goes on the all out offensive. Lisa was dead in the water and yet he decides to continue with his speculations and analysis of her.

Everything he's done in last two weeks flies in the face of what I believed his true character to be, and you can't but the blame on Lisa at this stage. I believe the influx of new housemates has put him on the offensive..... he thought he had the game won and now David has thrown a spanner in the works.

troy4783 10-08-2009 08:41 AM
well done charlie someone had to stand up to him

Prole 10-08-2009 08:42 AM
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i no go charlie! he has finally spoke his mind! :cheer2:
Jeez... that wouldn't take long.

Tulip 10-08-2009 08:47 AM
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i no go charlie! he has finally spoke his mind! :cheer2:
Jeez... that wouldn't take long.
Hear hear! And regarding the title of this post - I sincerely hope Charlie DOES go - and well before the end - a forlorn hope, I suspect!

BB22 10-08-2009 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by setantaOk, Charlie may have come out with some cr*p statements regarding Lisa's innocence but the truth is, Freddie and his group discuss tactics on a far more regular basis...... it's all they do for f£cks sake; I'd lose the head with them too eventually if I was in there.
Actually, don't think that is quite right. Freddie has certainly become obsessed with scheming and gameplans. But the thing is it is other people's supposed scheming that he talks about all the time. He has certainly become overly paranoid but it is hard to substantiate the charge that he himself is scheming.
You can see it that way if you like but I see a guy who's fascinated with the game and loves to highlight other peoples supposed tactics in front of anyone who will listen, in the obvious hope that it will sway their judgements. Just because he does it with a smile and articulate discourse doesn't mean that there's any less of a sinister motivation behind it.

It's all he does in that house and I don't for one moment believe that theres no intent in this approach. He realises what he's doing; nodding in agreement with Bea when they crazily attacked David's character..... it's one rule for him and another for the rest? Rubbish, he's one of the worst in there for scheming.
Then we obviously see it differently. :whistle:

I actually think Freddie's paranoia about schemes and plots is fairly easy to understand given the events of the first few weeks. Of course, he has gone too far with his obsession now but there you go. It is not unintelligible.
Of course it's not unintelligible - that's why he's so deluded in his views. At this stage he actually believes every theory has a solid foundation in truth and is basically gospel. I can't tolerate that kinda cockiness.
Ummm.... well obviously he would be more deluded if it was unintelligible, that was kind of the point I was making.

Earlier on there was a lot of scheming and plotting, as has been extensively documented and discussed on this forum. I am just pointing out that his paranoia is intelligible in light of earlier events. It is simply that he has carried it too far and it has become a kind of obsession with him. But it is not as if it has come out of nowhere.
He's even more deluded because he actually believes everything he says at this point and he articulates to any housemate who'll listen and, of course, with us in the diary room. Really, how often does he come in to diary room now? Give it a rest Freddie.

It has come from nowhere.... his misgivings now are completely unfounded usually, the whole David scenario being a typical example of his flights of fancy.
More deluded than what? More deluded than earlier? Of course he is because his earlier intuitions about what was going on were pretty much spot on, as is a matter of record.

But it certainly hasn't come from nowhere. It may be pretty much unfounded now, but that is a different point, of course. We do not even disagree on that.

setanta 10-08-2009 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by setantaOk, Charlie may have come out with some cr*p statements regarding Lisa's innocence but the truth is, Freddie and his group discuss tactics on a far more regular basis...... it's all they do for f£cks sake; I'd lose the head with them too eventually if I was in there.
Actually, don't think that is quite right. Freddie has certainly become obsessed with scheming and gameplans. But the thing is it is other people's supposed scheming that he talks about all the time. He has certainly become overly paranoid but it is hard to substantiate the charge that he himself is scheming.
You can see it that way if you like but I see a guy who's fascinated with the game and loves to highlight other peoples supposed tactics in front of anyone who will listen, in the obvious hope that it will sway their judgements. Just because he does it with a smile and articulate discourse doesn't mean that there's any less of a sinister motivation behind it.

It's all he does in that house and I don't for one moment believe that theres no intent in this approach. He realises what he's doing; nodding in agreement with Bea when they crazily attacked David's character..... it's one rule for him and another for the rest? Rubbish, he's one of the worst in there for scheming.
Then we obviously see it differently. :whistle:

I actually think Freddie's paranoia about schemes and plots is fairly easy to understand given the events of the first few weeks. Of course, he has gone too far with his obsession now but there you go. It is not unintelligible.
Of course it's not unintelligible - that's why he's so deluded in his views. At this stage he actually believes every theory has a solid foundation in truth and is basically gospel. I can't tolerate that kinda cockiness.
Ummm.... well obviously he would be more deluded if it was unintelligible, that was kind of the point I was making.

Earlier on there was a lot of scheming and plotting, as has been extensively documented and discussed on this forum. I am just pointing out that his paranoia is intelligible in light of earlier events. It is simply that he has carried it too far and it has become a kind of obsession with him. But it is not as if it has come out of nowhere.
He's even more deluded because he actually believes everything he says at this point and he articulates to any housemate who'll listen and, of course, with us in the diary room. Really, how often does he come in to diary room now? Give it a rest Freddie.

It has come from nowhere.... his misgivings now are completely unfounded usually, the whole David scenario being a typical example of his flights of fancy.
More deluded than what? More deluded than earlier? Of course he is because his earlier intuitions about what was going on were pretty much spot on, as is a matter of record.

But it certainly hasn't come from nowhere. It may be pretty much unfounded now, but that is a different point, of course. We do not even disagree on that.
That is the point..... he's lost the plot completely and his true nature is emerging- he has a superiority complex and highly competitive streak. I loved Freddie 2 weeks ago but he's let me down so badly with this madness.

The whole situation with Lisa was long over and these latest outbursts are a symptom of his need to win. His delusions are of his own making.... nobody else to blame for them at this stage. Granted Bea has acted as a lynchpin in this whole situation for him but he's a big boy now, and has his own mind on matters.

Patricia4 10-08-2009 09:01 AM
I was hoping you wanted him to go home because I do he's a nasty two faced creep.

BB22 10-08-2009 09:01 AM
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Originally posted by setantaOk, Charlie may have come out with some cr*p statements regarding Lisa's innocence but the truth is, Freddie and his group discuss tactics on a far more regular basis...... it's all they do for f£cks sake; I'd lose the head with them too eventually if I was in there.
Actually, don't think that is quite right. Freddie has certainly become obsessed with scheming and gameplans. But the thing is it is other people's supposed scheming that he talks about all the time. He has certainly become overly paranoid but it is hard to substantiate the charge that he himself is scheming.
You can see it that way if you like but I see a guy who's fascinated with the game and loves to highlight other peoples supposed tactics in front of anyone who will listen, in the obvious hope that it will sway their judgements. Just because he does it with a smile and articulate discourse doesn't mean that there's any less of a sinister motivation behind it.

It's all he does in that house and I don't for one moment believe that theres no intent in this approach. He realises what he's doing; nodding in agreement with Bea when they crazily attacked David's character..... it's one rule for him and another for the rest? Rubbish, he's one of the worst in there for scheming.
Then we obviously see it differently. :whistle:

I actually think Freddie's paranoia about schemes and plots is fairly easy to understand given the events of the first few weeks. Of course, he has gone too far with his obsession now but there you go. It is not unintelligible.
Of course it's not unintelligible - that's why he's so deluded in his views. At this stage he actually believes every theory has a solid foundation in truth and is basically gospel. I can't tolerate that kinda cockiness.
Ummm.... well obviously he would be more deluded if it was unintelligible, that was kind of the point I was making.

Earlier on there was a lot of scheming and plotting, as has been extensively documented and discussed on this forum. I am just pointing out that his paranoia is intelligible in light of earlier events. It is simply that he has carried it too far and it has become a kind of obsession with him. But it is not as if it has come out of nowhere.
He's even more deluded because he actually believes everything he says at this point and he articulates to any housemate who'll listen and, of course, with us in the diary room. Really, how often does he come in to diary room now? Give it a rest Freddie.

It has come from nowhere.... his misgivings now are completely unfounded usually, the whole David scenario being a typical example of his flights of fancy.
More deluded than what? More deluded than earlier? Of course he is because his earlier intuitions about what was going on were pretty much spot on, as is a matter of record.

But it certainly hasn't come from nowhere. It may be pretty much unfounded now, but that is a different point, of course. We do not even disagree on that.
That is the point..... he's lost the plot completely and his true nature is emerging- he has a superiority complex and highly competitive streak. I loved Freddie 2 weeks ago but he's let me down so badly with this madness.

The whole situation with Lisa was long over and these latest outbursts are a symptom of his need to win. His delusions are of his own making.... nobody else to blame for them at this stage. Granted Bea has acted as a lynchpin in this whole situation for him but he's a big boy now, and has his own mind on matters.
Well I am not sure I agree with some of that but the conversation is moving on to a different topic now and I have nothing more I particularly want to say on the other points you are raising. It will be interesting to see how Freddie reacts to some of the events I am hearing about from last night's live feed.

camertone 10-08-2009 09:31 AM
charlie exposed who freddie really is! nasty and fake!!
charlie is brilliant!
freddie thinks he already won bb, get him out! he is too arrogant!

BJ 10-08-2009 09:42 AM
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I was hoping you wanted him to go home because I do he's a nasty two faced creep.
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"I know the words but I can't put them together like you" (Charlie to Bea in the kitchen rant) :laugh2:

Charlie and David are both trying to playing the village idiot card

Chels 10-08-2009 09:45 AM
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freddie isnt an arsehole , freddie wasnt slaggin off sophie , charlie jus wanted to be centre of attention again x
this.
charlie's sinking down my estimations like the titanic.

karezza 10-08-2009 09:46 AM
Charlie is a scheming plonker.
He does Lisa's dirty work.
He lurks in the background and listens to conversations.
He hates Siavash & Freddie because he thinks they are his biggest rivals.

luminoussun 10-08-2009 09:49 AM
Just go!!! home please

EmptySouls 10-08-2009 10:00 AM
Poor old Charlie totally lost the plot on this one. Halfwit mentioned Sophie's part in how the argument developed and Charlie just went off on one...'Don't bring Sophie into this.'

Er...it was Sophie who started it all which is all Halfwit was saying.

Then we see two minutes of the most vile tirade by anybody so far in the house rivaling even Lisa.

Anybody that can say 'Well done Charlie' for that must have some strange ideas on acceptable behaviour. It makes me wonder how some people live their lives.

XxkellzxbellzxX 10-08-2009 12:12 PM
as a halfwit/charlie fan i think it's hard to pick who was in the right at the end of the day its gettin pointless people trying to make any excuse not to like freddie/Halfwit when they want him out hears a really cookie crazy idea next time he's up vote for him to be a evicted you think you could get your heads around that concept

Blink_Me 10-08-2009 12:17 PM
As soon as Freddie mentioned Sophie's name, Charlie immediately jumped on Freddie. He thought Freddie was saying bad things about Sophie, when obviously he wasn't. Charlie is just too stupid to even discuss anything. He didn't even let Freddie try to explain what he meant by saying he had bad vibes from Sophie.

shash 10-08-2009 12:22 PM
Yes Charlie, please, please, please GO!

BB22 10-08-2009 12:25 PM
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Poor old Charlie totally lost the plot on this one. Halfwit mentioned Sophie's part in how the argument developed and Charlie just went off on one...'Don't bring Sophie into this.'

Er...it was Sophie who started it all which is all Halfwit was saying.

Then we see two minutes of the most vile tirade by anybody so far in the house rivaling even Lisa.

Anybody that can say 'Well done Charlie' for that must have some strange ideas on acceptable behaviour. It makes me wonder how some people live their lives.
This is absolutely right. Charlie interrupted one of Freddie's very first sentences on the subject. It was quite plain to me that Freddie was making a comment which was not even intended to be a criticism of Sophie yet as soon as he heard her name, Charlie just exploded into a rant. It was quite laughable really.

britannia 10-08-2009 12:30 PM
Yes go Charlie right out the door on eviction night, he made a complete idiot of himself last night, and the sooner he goes the better.

nataliee_ 10-08-2009 12:35 PM
woooow! go charlie!
freddy, bea and marcus always goes on about game plans that lisa has and how horriable she is whenever she hardly does anything to them.
Charlie was spot on! Glad someone stould up to him!

rodrigo or charlie to win <33

nataliee_ 10-08-2009 12:35 PM
woooow! go charlie!
freddy, bea and marcus always goes on about game plans that lisa has and how horriable she is whenever she hardly does anything to them.
Charlie was spot on! Glad someone stould up to him!

rodrigo or charlie to win <33


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