I dont usually answer smug little replys like this, where I am getting personally attacked. But you know what I decided tonight to make an exception. So I will tell you now, I am a woman of lets just say more than 30, ok, with three children all boys and a husband. All of them adore me, so therefore I dont really care want a jumped up little toe rag like you thinks about me ok?

Yes, I see where your coming from. I feel empathy for people though, as does my daughter, but my brother doesnt. Some traits are stronger than others in AS.

We all have an opinion though, and if we all agreed it would be a boring place:bigsmile:

Freddie does not have aspergers!

He has dyslexia and like many dyslexics, he does not tick the 'classic' boxes which is probably why he thinks outside the box so often.

Worked with children who have aspergers and autistic spectrum conditions for nine years and have two children and a husband who have dyslexia. Think I can speak from experience. :thumbs:

Signs and Symptoms of Asperger's Syndrome include:

* Lucid speech before age 4 years; grammar and vocabulary are usually very good.
* Monotonous, rigid or unusually fast speech.
* Conversations revolve around self.
* Engaging in one-sided, long-winded conversations, without noticing if the listener's reactions.
* Unusual nonverbal communication, including lack of eye contact, few facial expressions, awkward body postures or odd gestures or tics.
* Poor coordination or clumsiness.
* Odd posture or rigid gait.
* Obsessing on one or two specific, narrow subjects, like sports statistics, train schedules, weather or snakes.
* I.Q.'s fall along the full spectrum, but many are in the above normal range in verbal ability and in the below average range in performance abilities.
* Many have dyslexia, writing problems, and difficulty with mathematics.
* Lack common sense.
* Concrete thinking (versus abstract).
* Odd forms of self-stimulatory behavior.
* Sensory problems appear not to be as dramatic as those with other forms of autism.
* Socially aware but displays inappropriate reciprocal interaction.
* Appearing not to understand, empathize with, or be sensitive to others' feelings.
* An inability to "read" other people or understanding humor.
* Often described as eccentric.

indeed they do

I have Aspergers and family members with it. Dyslexia is a trait of AS too.

Think I can also speak from experience:thumbs:

i don't think he has AS.

He said he had undiagnosed Dyslexia until he was 13 and then he said he had to have his brain reordered. At that point the rest of the group switched off and moved away as if he has said,'I have swine flu'. He has never mentioned it again.

He did say at the beginning it was the reason he tried to go to sleep early because the concentration made him so tired. This was in the first couple of weeks. I think this is why he speaks more slowly.
Dyslexia is in varying degrees and can affect movement and thought processes so he certainly has his problems.
I believe he has been bullied for his inability to read at school and he felt so threatened by Bea he just panicked. His asthma would not help either.
He never complains and he does try to be cheerful which is why he was so upset by Bea saying he was negetive all the time. She is the negetive one.
If she is aware of other people's feelings as she claims she must be an intensely cruel person.

Difficulty in social relationships - people with Asperger syndrome often enjoy or want to develop social contacts but find mixing with others very hard. In particular, they have problems with:

* Understanding non-verbal signals such as body language, gestures, facial expressions and tone of voice
* Obsessions with particular objects or routines


Difficulty with communication - although they may be able to speak fluently, sometimes there are difficulties judging or understanding the reactions of those they are talking to. Common problems include:

* Failing to notice the body language of others
* Appearing insensitive to the feelings or views of the listener
* Continually talking, unaware of the listener's interest
* Appearing over-precise in what they say
* Taking comments literally (for example, misunderstanding jokes, metaphors or colloquialisms)

Asperger syndrome in adults has some common characteristics such as:

• Lack of managing appropriate social conduct

• High intelligence

• Anger management problems

• Controlling feelings such as depression, fear or anxiety

• Lack of empathy

• Inability to listen to others

• Inflexible thinking

• Repetitive routines provides feelings of security

• Stress when their routine suddenly changes

• Inability to think in abstract ways

• Specialised fields of interest

• Visual thinking




Unfair labelling
Due to misunderstanding their behavior adults with Aspergers can be seen as egotistical by their peer group members. Other unfair labels can be: selfish, cold, ridged or uncaring. Their behavior might appear to be unkind or callous. This kind of labelling is unfair and has nothing to do with behaving inappropriately on purpose. Adults with Asperger syndrome are neurologically unable to see things from the other persons point of view. They are frequently told by their peers or partners that their actions or remarks are considered painful or rude which comes as a shock to them since they were never aware of this in the first place. It’s therefor important to get a diagnosis so people arround them understand their behavior better.

He is essentric, thats all.
Aspergers does not manifest itself the same way in all who have it anyway.

"He is the opposite of Aspergers, though he does have some "uniqueness" in his cognitive style, this is usual with high IQ individuals, and he isn't your bog standard model. "
Well, that's wrong to start with. His IQ is above average but nothing exceptional, around 140/150 is starting to get into the exceptional range.
What is wrong with Freddie and Bea is that age-old human frailty: one-sided love.
He was smitten and she rejected him, that means that any little criticism she makes, however small, hurts so much more because it is from his loved-one.
She, on the other hand, did genuinely like him and feels guilty that she had to reject him. Consequently all his pain and suffering merely reminds her of her guilty feelings.
They will both get over it soon.

VERY easy to misdiagnose someone with High IQ with something else, such as ADD, Autism spectrum disorders, and Dyslexia. The same area of the brain is affected and there is much overlap. I have a good book on the subject, it really can be hard to diagnose a brain issue properly.

I can see that Freddie does have issues with reading people's emotions, that is why he talks so much about it. He really is trying to work out what makes people tick. I have a similar issue myself, have been diagnosed with ADHD issues. I have an overawareness of sensory input (as does Freddie) and I don't always understand people's non-verbal signals. Get's me into trouble, too!

I think with Asperger's there is often a bit of an obsession with rituals, or with an interest or hobby, and sometimes repetitive mannerisms (ticks or hand gestures). Not sure I've noticed any of those with him.

However my book says:
"It can be difficult to differentiate between some gifted children and those with Asperger's. In fact, there may be a gradation, rather than Asperger's having it's own category. There may be increasing degrees of behaviors that end up with an impairment that is then called Asperger's Disorder. They may also suffer from ADD/ADHD or from OCD, making the diagnostic picture murky."

WELL, you did ask.

:wink:

As I recall there was something near the start of the series about having to go to bed early otherwise his concentration degrades, he seems to have forgotten about that just recently.

Agree with you on that mate.
There was a programme on the bbc about a year ago where 10 people carried out a variety of tasks, and psychologists observed the behaviour and had to try and spot who had mental illnesses and what they were. Bare in mind these fella's were meant to be 'experts', they only correctly identified 2 out of 5, from the people who had been previously diagnoased with a mental illness.

Such labels seem to get thrown around at a whim, without aknowledgement of the negative stigma and consequences attached to such labels.

I blame wiki!!

My son has AS and I agree, he does have many of the signs, lack of social skills etc....you might think he'd have been diagnosed by now though, especially as he's has the dyslexia diagnosis, you would have to assume he's have some kind of investigation :)

People think Freddie has Aspergers? Yeah, that is because people talk out of their ar*e. Freddie doesn't have any of the symptoms of Aspergers.

Seriously, some people need to get off of this forum and go educate themselves.

Erm, as a parent of someone with AS I can categorically say I am NOT talking out of my arse and that he indeed does display many of the symptoms. You sure have a shite way with words eh.

Take you own advice ,as you seem to have NO education at all just because you have hairs round your mouth you don't have to talk like a ---- !!! the OP has a child with it so obviously knows FAR more about it than you,but that wouldn't be hard would it?

Yes, I do have a way with words. That comes from being educated. Though I do empathize with your child having AS, I can assure you that Freddie does not have it.

Here are the symptoms. I will bold the ones that Freddie MIGHT have:

• Lack of managing appropriate social conduct

• High intelligence

• Anger management problems

• Controlling feelings such as depression, fear or anxiety

• Lack of empathy

• Inability to listen to others

• Inflexible thinking

• Repetitive routines provides feelings of security

• Stress when their routine suddenly changes

• Inability to think in abstract ways

• Specialised fields of interest

• Visual thinking

So... Freddie is smart so therefore he has Aspergers? Sorry. Doesn't compute. He is probably one of the MOST empathetic people I have seen on TV. He is very flexible in his thinking. He doesn't have rituals or repetitive routines. He is able to think in very abstract ways. In fact, his ability to do so sometimes goes right over the heads of the others because they aren't very smart. He is not a visual thinker. He doesn't obsess over a specific subject. He is extremely peaceful so there are no anger management problems.

So, sorry, but you are wrong.

FFS ,Just have him put down,he NOW as every illness know to modern science :sleep:

Oh have I been tag teamed LOL....I havent seen the OP mention they have a child with it, but I do have a child with it...did you quote the wrong person or are you just wrong LOL

I'm assuming that you meant me with your eloquent response. Really, you sound like a gutter fishwife, but that is neither here nor there.

As a matter of fact, I have two advanced degrees. I have been working in the public health field for several different countries for around 15 years. I might just know what I am talking about.

And one other thing... You say that the OP's child has AP so they should know who else would have it? Hmm... given that thinking, if you had a pain in your stomach would you go to your neighbor whose child had their appendix removed to get surgery? Or would you go to the surgeon?

AP has many different manifistations as does dyslexia. What is experienced in one person may be the exact opposite of what is experienced in another person. This is true for many illnesses actually. This is why we have physicians and psychologists to diagnose people and not just BB forums where people can go to get treatment.