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Cybele 12-08-2009 11:58 AM
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I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/
May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?
I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.
Pretty convincing - but you can't make a proper diagnosis from a television screen! You would have to examine him yourself and know all his past medical history - so, sorry, as far as I am concerned - the jury is still out!!
Exactly.... diagnosing a fella from a tv set is just plain silly. And the sweat and hot, flushed face was from hiding it under the blanket while he was "crying". Come on, lets have a bit of rationality and common sense here.
His face was not red from being under that flimsy scarf. Rationality and commen sense would indeed be welcome here.

Cybele 12-08-2009 11:59 AM
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Panic attacks are experienced by quite a few people. Besides, the amount of stress he was under which caused the episode was pretty substantial. He didn't have a panic attack over the normal BB stuff. He didn't even have a panic attack when he was being bullied by all of those people for the first few weeks. I would say that other people in the house have displayed worse responses to the stress of the house than Freddie having this ONE attack as a response of Bea's badgering.
But you do not allow someone with a mental health issue to enter the Big Brother house, that's my point. If I was on the production team and they told me there is one contestant who suffers from anxiety disorder/panic attacks then I would say that unfortunately for the sake of his health, he cannot enter.

The evaluators once again have put showbusiness before the health of a contestant.
Panic attacks are not a mental health issue. Period.

watchinittoomuch 12-08-2009 12:00 PM
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You dont have to have mental health issues to suffer a panic attack, they dont mean you're insane:laugh:
Having a mental health issue has nothing to do with being insane. Thank god that in this day and age people are more accepting to these issues.
You dont need to tell me that, I totally agree....it just seemed that a person's mental health was being called into question just because they were having a panic attack, my point is there dont have to be any issues for someone to suffer one, it's the body and mind's reaction to a highly stressful/traumatic situation....hence my laugh at the end, I'm laughing at the whole idea of it being a mental health/sanity question

Prole 12-08-2009 12:01 PM
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I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.
So, you don't have ANY credentials that would allow you to diagnose a complete stranger who you've been watching on a reality TV show. That's what I thought.

Honestly people, knock it on the head.

setanta 12-08-2009 12:01 PM
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I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/
May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?
I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.
Pretty convincing - but you can't make a proper diagnosis from a television screen! You would have to examine him yourself and know all his past medical history - so, sorry, as far as I am concerned - the jury is still out!!
Exactly.... diagnosing a fella from a tv set is just plain silly. And the sweat and hot, flushed face was from hiding it under the blanket while he was "crying". Come on, lets have a bit of rationality and common sense here.
His face was not red from being under that flimsy scarf. Rationality and commen sense would indeed be welcome here.
His head was under the blanket for ages and a scarf will have an effect too. Put one on ur face for awhile.... over your mouth too and see what happens.

SocietyIsRuined 12-08-2009 12:02 PM
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Panic attacks are not a mental health issue. Period.
That's where we will have to agree to disagree.

Enid 12-08-2009 12:04 PM
Sick of seeing these posts now. Panic attack or not, the fact is, he was very upset and angry that night and Bea is a cúnt.

watchinittoomuch 12-08-2009 12:05 PM
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Sick of seeing these posts now. Panic attack or not, the fact is, he was very upset and angry that night and Bea is a cúnt.
Succint. I like it.:wink:

watchinittoomuch 12-08-2009 12:05 PM
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Sick of seeing these posts now. Panic attack or not, the fact is, he was very upset and angry that night and Bea is a cúnt.
Succinct. I like it.:wink:

watchinittoomuch 12-08-2009 12:08 PM
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Sick of seeing these posts now. Panic attack or not, the fact is, he was very upset and angry that night and Bea is a cúnt.
Succinct. I like it.:wink:

fredrica 12-08-2009 12:45 PM
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You dont have to have mental health issues to suffer a panic attack, they dont mean you're insane:laugh:
Having a mental health issue has nothing to do with being insane. Thank god that in this day and age people are more accepting to these issues.
I know it is refreshing that this can be disgussed without someone saying oh that person is and 'idiot'.

WOMBAI 12-08-2009 12:46 PM
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I have been asked to post a thread which seeks to explain to the doubters why what we saw with Freddie was him coping with a Panic Attack. As an impartial observer, I would say that Bea was also exhibitting clear symptoms of heightened anxiety and was NOT being deliberately provocative, it was a stuation that developed and escalated.

Rodrigo was well meaning when he asked Bea to go and see Freddie again, but it was very unfortunate as both had withdrawn, as was the wisest strategy for both of them.

http://www.rfli.co.uk/rfli/panic-attacks/
May I ask what your qualifications on the subject are - and what entitles you to make such a diagnosis?
I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.
Pretty convincing - but you can't make a proper diagnosis from a television screen! You would have to examine him yourself and know all his past medical history - so, sorry, as far as I am concerned - the jury is still out!!
You seem to be forgetting that the "patient" made the claim himself. I would never say that someone was definitely suffering from this or that through a tv screen. However, I would say that it is likely based on certain non-verbal cues: shortness of breath, sweating, heightened state of stress, red face, etc. If you are really a nurse, you should know that many times the patient's account of what they are feeling drives the diagnosis. In this case, he said he was having a panic attack. I'm not sure why you are so fired up about saying that he is lying. Because surely that is the only other alternative. What purpose does that serve?
Yes I am a nurse - if you want to cast doubt on that - the same could be said of you - we both have to believe what the other says on that one!

Yes, of course the patient's account of how they feel drives the diagnosis - but it doesn't determine the diagnosis! It is a lot more involved than that!

Correct me if I am wrong - but I wasn't aware that Freddie actually stated that he suffered from panic attacks! Did he actually say that?

I thought he said that he felt he might have one (or words to that effect) - which could just be an expression!

Like you do when you say something like - after a fright - god, I think I may have heart attack!

I have never said that he did not have a panic attack - only that I did not believe that he had! People have been speaking as is it was a fact!

I still don't believe he had one - and until there is proper evidence of that - remain unconvinced!

So excuse me for not buying into all the hype!!

fredrica 12-08-2009 12:46 PM
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Sick of seeing these posts now. Panic attack or not, the fact is, he was very upset and angry that night and Bea is a cúnt.
Very well said you have hit the nail on its head.:hello:

WOMBAI 12-08-2009 12:57 PM
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OMFG !!!!!!!!! Pete Burns/tourettes all over again ,IF we had any interest in panic attacks we would search them ourselves :sleep::sleep:
No it is not however when someone is hurting you don't laugh at them, well I don't anyway.

Panic attacks are horrible and they make you feel you cannot deal with anything.
If somone is constantly attacking you verbally you cannot make a response you become petrified and numb. It is an horrendous experience.;)
Please post a link or your source to confirm freddie had a panic attack ,thanks
Post yours to confirm he didnt. Thank you.
That is so ridiculous - the onis of responsiblity is on those claiming that he had a panic attack! It is up to them to prove it! It is not up to those that have doubts to prove that he did not!

Shasown 12-08-2009 01:01 PM
Lets all agree to disagree eh?

He was upset, he was angry.

Bea upset him, she ripped into him and told him things he didnt want to hear.

You believe what you want to believe and other people have that right too.

Chuckyegg 12-08-2009 01:14 PM
I suffered from panic attacks. Really bad ones. There is, like a lot of things, a sliding scale. Some people have panic disorder and they are in a 24/7 state of panic. They lose bowel and bladder control, they lose clear vision and hearing, they are in a constant state of believing fully that they are about to die. They cannot communicate properly and they scream and scream.

Freddie's "panic attack" was very mild.

A lot of people use the term Panic Attack to describe something that is not really a panic attack and it's only until they actually experience what a panic attack really is, that they understand. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.

BJ 12-08-2009 01:28 PM
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If Freddie was prone to having panic attacks, his early days in the house - when he was under a lot of negative pressure - would surely have seen him having a number of panic attacks!
I have panic attacks but certainly not every time I am under pressure.

I don't think your argument hold up because in the early weeks he was being attacked by people he knew didn't like him. He considered Bea a true friend and that is the difference IMO

ElProximo 12-08-2009 01:30 PM
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I suffered from panic attacks. Really bad ones. There is, like a lot of things, a sliding scale. Some people have panic disorder and they are in a 24/7 state of panic. They lose bowel and bladder control, they lose clear vision and hearing, they are in a constant state of believing fully that they are about to die. They cannot communicate properly and they scream and scream.

Freddie's "panic attack" was very mild.

A lot of people use the term Panic Attack to describe something that is not really a panic attack and it's only until they actually experience what a panic attack really is, that they understand. I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Strongly agree it is a sliding scale and we may go from slight nervousness to being quite anxious to a moderately intense panic response and like you describe a full-scale adrenalin blasting ride of a lifetime.
Think of a cars 'RPM' gauge and when it gets in the 'red' is when we have what we call a 'Panic' state.

Another good point that needs to be considered here - plenty of people just use this term loosely.
Freddy feels very very intense anger and is fighting to suppress it and says "Your voice is causing me to have a panic attack".
Okay.
Well this is just what he chose to call it and isn't necessarily sure of what the term is more properly used to describe.

Like you say - lots of people may not even be aware they are describing what is really moments of brief 'fright' or high anxiety (in a way they are correct),
but,
Have full-on massive 'panic attacks' 8 times a day with full onset and maximum onset of the responses and then you really know what the 'real deal' is like heh.

*again, I hate saying panic 'attack' as it is NOT an 'attack'. The actual problem is the inappropriate and unnecessary timing and situation.
The actual response itself is not 'attacking' anyone but is your bodies way of trying to PREVENT you from attacks and to take care of you and make your body safe from attacks.

Anyways.

Still insist "your voice is giving me panic attacks' goes down in this years Season Best Bits lol

rhijack 12-08-2009 01:56 PM
Bea was dreadful and he was as anyone would have been upset
- like all emotions panic is subjective to the individual - if he felt panicked then it was REAL for him. Its not about proving one way or another if he did or didn't have a panic attack using some sort of textbook bench mark. Its about accepting rightly or wrongly at that moment he felt 'upset/angry/whatever' and referred to that as being panicked - so for him it was real.

J-Rock 12-08-2009 02:02 PM
I'm so sorry I opened this thread.

ElProximo - I'm calling you out - you are just here to antagonise. You have good articulation skills, so try to make it sound like you know what you're talking about, but essentially you are just out to get a reaction. Well done.

(still like the pic though)

Chuckyegg - 'very mild' panic attack indeed? - we know you are a Freddie hater. You now also come across somewhat arrogant in your posts - I would watch out for that. I have had huge panic attacks during public speaking and wanted to run away, yet carried on and nobody batted an eyelid. So I'm afraid you don't own the textbook on panic attacks anymore.

Whatever you think, he was suffering properly.

ElProximo enjoys that sort of thing; You simply cannot recognise it.

All just a bit of fun aye?

mercury 12-08-2009 02:03 PM
I can't believe how many people have taken him literally! I may not have been watching properly, but when he said it I just presumed that he was insulting her in an overly-dramatic way (& I wouldn't judge him for that either).

If he'd of said that to me I would have been bemused and would have just walked away, I wouldn't have taken him seriously though:shrug:

Shasown 12-08-2009 02:13 PM
An excellent example of a panic attack was at the battle of Balaclava on the 25th October 1854, during the Crimean War, thinking that the Russian Naval Guns were going to be removed from the area an order was sent to the Light Brigade to prevent the guns from being withdrawn.

Due to this being of the utmost urgency at the time the message was hastily written and the messenger who carried the message was also incorretly briefed. Hence the light Brigade actually attacked the wrong objective charging through the most heavily defended area as opposed to bypassing it.

They did however engage the russian positions in depth after "running the guns" but due to a lack of support were forced to withdraw back down the valley. Again suffering withering fire.

Now that was a real Panic Attack

ElProximo 12-08-2009 02:14 PM
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I'm so sorry I opened this thread.

ElProximo - I'm calling you out - you are just here to antagonise. You have good articulation skills, so try to make it sound like you know what you're talking about, but essentially you are just out to get a reaction. Well done.

ElProximo enjoys that sort of thing; You simply cannot recognise it.

All just a bit of fun aye?
I'm going to call you out too. I don't believe you know one way or another if I know what I'm talking about or not,
so,
you are calling me out but on a 'bluff'.

But here is the thing. I am not doing a great job articulating. This is because I am over-tired and have poor sentence structure,
but,
I do a much better job finding people who have severe panic 'attacks' and have had them for years,
and,
going by what I'm telling them they will see immediate relief and in short term have massive decreases and eventually cease to have panic 'attacks' anymore.
and,
I will make it clear that this is them doing it. Not me. They discover the truth (and often they knew it anyways and just realised it) and then they took control.

I don't have to tell you nothing. I am well aware of this and get to thank God when I personally enjoy seeing someone go from being too scared to leave their bedroom to watching them travel on international flights to go mix in large crowds, easily drive in traffic and even begin public speaking.
I already have my 'validations' and 'confirmations'.

But one thing I definitely do NOT understand (despite theories) is why anyone wants to deny, doubt, argue and 'call me out' and challenge this so quickly and often with anger?
Why is that?
What exactly bothers you about this?
Why do you feel some need to stop me and call me out about this?
Seriously.. I really want to know?

BBmassive 12-08-2009 02:15 PM
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I would concur that Freddie was indeed having a panic attack. There were certain aspects of his body that would not have been able to be faked (which I am assuming is the complaint). He was clearly in a high level of stress. His face was very red indicating that his blood pressure was probably elevated. He was having difficulty breathing. His skin looked a bit sweaty which is another side effect of the fight or flight response. There are others which would only be able to be felt by Freddie, but given that he said that he was having a panic attack, I would take his word for it.

And if you want to know my credentials. I have two advanced degrees. I have worked in Public Health in several countries for the last 15 years or so. I have also spent several years prior to that working both with the chronically mentally ill and in an emergency room environment. I've seen a lot of panic attacks in my day.
So, you don't have ANY credentials that would allow you to diagnose a complete stranger who you've been watching on a reality TV show. That's what I thought.

Honestly people, knock it on the head.
Bravo :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:

BBmassive 12-08-2009 02:18 PM
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Lets all agree to disagree eh?

He was upset, he was angry.

Bea upset him, she ripped into him and told him things he didnt want to hear.

You believe what you want to believe and other people have that right too.
Well said !! the only one who KNOWS what did or didnt happen is Freddie and he is not telling anyone


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