She hates freddy because Freddy did HER job inside the house ,, analysing ppl !! fantastically may I add

I didn't even have the psychologist in mind with that point. I'm referring to the comment about arrogance being his fall-down and I was refuting it. I'm simply talking about his eventual mockery of Lisa. Was he not justified? Coz it seems the word "arrogant" has been thrown around without any real thought given to Freddies journey through the house.

ah! i totally agree!
she didnt understand freddie at ALL
he was making a better assessment of the situation than she was.
she missed the plot and everything she said was WRONG.

That's another discussion entirely and I'm too fecking tired to get into it cuz I don't agree with you and it's very likely we could be here all night. lol.

Fair enough. :laugh:

I don't mean it badly at all.... please understand that. Hope I didn't offend you there?

Sophie stands for nothing and that is a good enough reason for me to a.not respect her b.not admire her c. not like her..She is a bystander. She puts her conscience on hold depending on the sway of the group at that moment. She protects herself first and foremost.I like people that are mature minded and genuinely good.


Have you ever experienced in your life a person who is vile, despicable, nasty, willfully cruel and unprovokingly cruel to you? Have you ever fantasized about some kind of revenge? Finally succeeding? Beating iniquity, injustice, evil with goodness and the right values? When Freddy was laughing in the face of Lisa, it was "just desserts". It was not inconsistent with his character. It was a kind of sweet revenge on the scum of society who would run over you to get what they want, who would likely bully you to death and not blink an eye. Manaically laughing in the face of those who are consistent bullies is alright in my books but maybe you have never been hurt and abused and degraded and humiliated in your life by people who have all the power but have no goodness or character and so do not know what it is like when the Hitlers of the world fall and get their comeuppance and you are a success. Freddy behaved as he ought to have done. Though childish, I was proud of him.

When Freddy was becoming so zealously confident at the end in himself, almost arrogant, I believe it was not at all rooted in his ego, in himself. But when Karly and Kris had been evicted, he assumed the public too were on the side of "the good". His confidence came from something greater and outside of all of us--an abstract principle called "morality", "justice". Telling Lisa she would go was simply a steadfast adherence to this belief in goodness and peoples desire for it..

No not at all! It is fair enough. If we wanted to express the bulk of our thoughts on this years BB we would be on this thing 24/7. Plus the turnover of threads is v large. I always miss responses to my posts.

Precisely. I hope people read that. And I can't believe how off the mark people have been in their assessment of Freddie's actions. Does it not piss you off that this idea was not once put forward during the interview or by the crowd on BBBM. And that the presenters and guests keep throwing around "arrogance".. as if that was the root of his personality.

You obviously have this fervant desire to defend Freddie and absolve him of any flaws in his character. Judy Jones is your latest target maybe, because she had the audacity to comment on his behaviour and analyse it in a purely objective manner. She was always open to his responses- her stern face was her way of focusing on his reactions and speech. That's what pyschologists do.

Your use of language and general distaste for the rest of the housemates is a bit worrying and has a kinda frenzied tone to it. Plus I don't agree with half of it and it literally has nothing to do with Judy Jones and everything to do with your own feelings..... feelings being the operative word.

This may be completely irrelevant in certain ways..But I personally don't think this kind of psychologist has any role in a Big Brother evictee interview, and it's only in recent times they brought it in. It's a complete diversion from the purpose- an interview.. Supposed to be giving the housemate a chance to explain themselves, give their thoughts, learn the reality behind things that went on behind their back and display their reaction..They shouldn't have to listen to a "psycho- analysis" of themselves for 60% of the interview. Maybe if the interview was 2 hours long there would be time for that, but 30 mins?? Get real.
The old interviews were much better and actually let the housmate get a word in edgeways. Without being assaulted by a supposedly scientific analysis of their behaviour.

I agree that there should be more video footage used, with the housemate asked to react to it, and I don't know why they don't avail of the hour long show on e4 to further exploit this area. The backstabbing is very important to highlight, as well as the evictee's responses.

But you must remember that Big Brother was conceived of as being a social experiment and there was always going to be a psychological and sociological aspect to it. I personally find that part of it extremely fascinating and welcome that added feature to the interview.

It was part of it in previous years but they confined it mainly to Big Bros Big Mouth and BBLB. The evicition night was all about crowds, cheering/booing, the panto, getting the evictee into the spotlight, then onto a chair in the center of a stage for an all hands on interview. It reflected more the excitement of the whole thing..
Why they can't just leave the psychologist input to BBBM is beyond me. It's more the environment for it in any case. A smaller crowd etc.

Yep, I agree with everything you've said but I still need some psychological analysis in the programme- I'm not pushed where it's shown as along as it's shown. Fascinating stuff to me.

I agree my use of language and distaste for housemates and Judy James is concerned with my feelings. But of course. But, that is-- feeling coupled with intellect--which is the only real basis I think for any judicious assessment of a situation. For instance, I feel at a visceral level that the holocaust was evil and despicable as I am a human being who does not like hurt and does not like hurt inflicted on others and I understand it intellectually too. I am able to articulate my feelings through my facility with language and my brain. Isn't that the very nature of being human? So, where exactly did your opinions on the matter come from? Thin air, "objective reasoning" (when for every human being this is an impossible task when related to human values and not the sciences and even then that is contentious), or are they from your feelings, perceptions coupled with your thoughts on the issue as is mine?

Anyway, I might say that Fredriech Nietsche said "There are no facts, there are only perspectives" and I suppose that is quite evident in this chat..

But, I do not absolve Freddy of his character faults--he can be cocky, he does have annoying idiosyncrasies like mmmms when you're eating your cornflakes, long sighs etc. etc. but on the whole his good qualities outweigh the bad and surpass most of them in there...

If you or I were his friend I could guarantee he would be a beacon in your life. Someone to trust wholeheartedly, without reservation or caution as only he has demonstrated in the house through his association with Marcus and Siavash and even Bea when he did not tell Lisa and David the things she said about them when she turned on him (for instance, "everything she/he says is mundane and I cannot bear to listen to them''--this is real snobbery...


With the other housemates, I strongly believe through logical deduction and past behaviours they would betray you in an instance if you didn't suit their agenda or somethign better came along.....

But your feelings are no concern of mine at the moment....I never asked you to impress them upon me. The only one I have a problem with is your abhorrence towards Judy James, which is misguided and unfounded. Plus please refrain from referring to Hitler in any argument you wish to form. Drawing parallels between him, the sins of the world and a couple of idiotic housemates is just plain silly.

Okay well if my feelings are of no concern to you why are you commenting on my post in the first place? Is this not an exchange of thoughts and feelings and impressions on the matter and this is why you are here? This is a forum after all..

I personally believe that if people do not pay attention to the small minute injustices in everyday life, the small cruelties between people it only admits and allows the great atrocities. I think morality needs to be tackled at a localised level before we make any progress large scale so if I refer to Hitler or the Holocaust, it is only because I believe overlooking and dulling ourselves to small oppressions and abuses of power paves the way for big ones. It makes us all insensitive..

And I might also say, I probably look at big brother from a more philosophical/psychological/sociological perspective then being just pure entertainment and it is a reflection on human nature on what people do, on what people are to a large degree so.. I do not think I am silly :banana:

Because I believe that it's melodramatic and reactionary to be presenting such forceful and emotive views in such a manner. We'll leave it at that shall we?

I agree entirely. Couldn't have said it better.

Are you for real? You're after trying to butcher Judy Jones because she viewed Freddie in entirely this manner while you compare the behaviour of the housemates to Nazism or just plain evil and cast Freddie in the role of the Archangel Michael. Give me a break lol

The thing is, Puff is correct to point out how often cruelties in everyday life (and if you want to hone in on the issue of bullying) are so often unresolved and overlooked. And that's the key point, it has nothing to do with comparisons, or melodrama. It's a face value point, a spade is a spade really.

Of course it is.... it's misguided energy spent on crucifying anyone who spits on the sidewalk. He compares the housemates to Nazis when in fact his kinda ramblings could very well turn into a form of Fascism. Be careful of how much Nietzsche you read. lol

Everything is reactionary--your reaction to my reaction is reaction. Our reaction to tonights show is a reaction. That is life and why is that bad?

And yes, I have been emotive as I explained as I feel passionately about these issues....so :cat:

I am a lady thank you very much