So, let me get this straight (no pun intended, honest).........

Charlie wants to become a father.
He wants this to happen while he's still quite young.
He's gay.


So, what he really wants is to become a 'sperm donor' for a woman who wants to be a 'single mother' and thus become a 'part-time father'?

Or does he envisage a 'relationship of convenience' where he shares a home-life with a woman and child/children while both of them feel free to pursue romantic relationships outside the family home?


I'm really sorry Charlie, even with the very best of intentions, I can see somebody getting hurt eventually - no matter how much you want children.

Children are NOT a life-style accessory like a new mobile phone, latest pair of trainers or the newest piece of technology - they actually DESERVE a life-time commitment (meaning the parents lifetimes not just their own) from at least one, preferrably BOTH, parents.

I fell bad for the kid! :thumbs:

What a load of sh1t, how many women every day do this. But suddenly when a man wants to do it, no, no, no, no, no. No, I'm not gay or sticking up for Charlie etc. just for what's right. Some people really do need to open their minds.

What is the difference, do you think, between a heterosexual couple conceiving "just to get a child", and, for example, a couple consisting of two homosexual males enlisting the assistance of a happy and willing female surrogate in order to have a child?

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you can't have your cake and eat it:laugh2:

people have accepted his way off life.he should accept the FACT that two males DONT HAVE children:whistle:

They do! There's no difference between a heterosexual couple that can't have children doing something to get a baby than their is a gay couple doing it.

Well, we have already established that you have no objection to gay males adopting children. You said that in an earlier post. Yet there seems to be some conflict between that statement and your latest post.

Let's clarify your position:

You have no moral objection to gay males adopting children.

You have no moral objection to heterosexual couples conceiving using insemination techniques.

You do have a moral objection to homosexuals employing a willing female to act as a surrogate and employing insemination techniques to conceive a child.

A further question: let us imagine a heterosexual couple, in which the female is unable to bear and carry a child, would you have any moral objection to said couple employing a willing female to act as a surrogate and employing insemination techniques to conceive a child, which would be carried by the surrogate but raised by the couple?

:tongue: man and woman = child
:tongue: man and man = sore bottom:laugh2:

women are taking it up the b-m now adays LOL

You've completely ignored what I said because you know you're completely wrong. Do you have a problem with surrogacy when a heterosexual couple can't have children?

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You're a *****ing idiot, I'm done with trying to reason with you. Pathetic.

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I agree with you - too many WOMEN do this as well without thinking about it first.

I will repeat that it's not right - for ANYBODY to deliberately put their own 'desire to have a child' before the long-term need for the child to have life-long love and stability.

What a lot of talk stemming from a fairly vague statement by Charlie. He can't actually have a child until he gets through puberty....

You are insecure. Charlie FTW

Little point being rational with the willfully irrational but you make good posts.

Not trying to be controversial but I don't agree with gay parents. 2 gay men raising a child isn't right imo

I think the fact that he won Mr Gay Newcastle 2007 and was runner up in Mr Gay UK, may have given Charlie a bit of a clue about his sexuality. :joker:

I don't see a problem with Charlie being gay and having kids. I actually think the problem is he is still a kid himself - he needs to do some growing up before even considering becoming a parent. Imagine his child throwing a tantrum during 'the terrible twos', what is he going to do maybe immatate it and wind it up, then say 'I didn't do anything' like he does with Rodrego, who, lets face it, behaves like a two year old!

Turkey baster.

i'm actually suprised there are still people that think this is wrong!! the OP seems to be very immature.

as long as the child has parents/parent to love and raise the child, there is no problem.

if infertile couples can 'cheat' nature by conceiving through IVF etc, then so should gay couples.

:| He can adopt?

:thumbs: Completely agree. And if women who are 60, 70 some even nearing 80 years old can now have children, why can't people of different sexual interests, which is all it is, a different interest. It doesn't reflect on someones parenting skills in any way.

god charlie is weird