Mate who are you trying to kid here? This ain't rachel rice we are taking about, it's the irrepressible dark horse, the most entertaining HM of the series and possibly ever. If you look at the bottom of the forum, you will see he is the most liked on here. Some people in the minority it seems.

Marcus will win it

Yes but look at BB9 and Rex is the most popular did he win...... NO! Same goes for just about all of those stupid polls at the bottom of the pages.

Anyone want to join the 'Don't let Marcus kill BB' Club? haha!

That could of been because the UK seen one of the biggest con's in the history of television, who went on to win the show and fooled the whole nation and ****ed off back into the fog and wasn't seen again but hey ho, she will enjoy her 100k.

He treated noirin like he did because she led him on for the whole show. Sree was hated for many reasons that i dont understand as he was a "legend" just like Marcus.

lmao @ rachel rice being a con... brother with her,it was what you see is what you get.. im sure you'd prefer to see marcus the irrepressible creepy perverted little mule win.. given the choice between marcus and rachel id choose rachel,perhaps she was dull and perhaps she wasnt the most out going..

but why would anyone reward a guy for literally controlling and emotionally abusing another house mate,what he did to noirin no woman should have to endure.. so yeah rachel rice = a boring old fart who is far more worthy of winning then marcus the legend..

What did he do to Norin? Perv over her? So ****ing what. I do it every day and do i give a ****? No. He's a man, it happens in the real world, it really does happen.

Norin was so hated when she left, no one cared that he perved on her. He perved on Nikki as well. The guy told Rodrigo he was going for a wank and got caught doing it. Does he care? I don't think he does.

Don't want to go too much into the con artist of 08.

iv'd had this conversation too many times but yes i agree to an extent noirin had been flirty,but no woman should have anyone persue her once she has made her feelings known,in the real world,if you aproach a girl and she is not interested but still wants to be your friend,you do not control and dictate to her how she should act and who she can and cant speak to..

once she had told him she did not fancy him,and he insisted on controlling and manipulating her,thats where he crossed the line,and when asked he simply quiped "im chasing her around because theres nothing better to do,even though i know she doesnt want me" so its not leading someone on when they say that..

theres no two ways about it,it was wrong when craig did it to anthony in a previos series,and it is just as wrong now..

Yea i'd endure a house full of Rachel Rice's for 14 weeks just so i could say Phew at least we gave the money to someone "nice"

And what did Marcus do it Noirin that she didnt bring on herself?

She knew what she was doing. watch her VT and you'll see she plays men whenever she can.

nope not perving,im talking about being in a house and knowing someone is not yours,yet trying to cop a feel,having an issue with her calling a truce with siavash,insisting she adhere to his advice or they are not friends,brother in the real world you do not treat a woman the way he did...im not disputing noirin's popularity,but that does not excuse marcus's behavior...

further more a con artist is someone who acts a certain way when they are infact hiding their true character right?so how is that rachel rice?she was nice enough,not the funniest wittiest most randiest housemate,but she was exactly how she seems..id rather not live in a world where we dont reward someone on their genuine niceness while the whole time a jumped up self absorbed stalkerish type figure gets public approval..marcus is entertaining and does have many endearing qualities,but im sure charlie uchea from a few years ago did aswell..

there was another guy on here who insisted i watch this feeble vt,now lets make this clear.. i have seen the vt and it is well known so im not sure why im even having to say this,but they do edit it out to make it look a certain way,to make someone seem like a complete tool,however noirin was honest enough to say how she is..

while i dont agree with her every action,that does not excuse what marcus has done.. if you honestly think marcus treated noirin well then lets just agree to disagree..

suffice it to say,men flirt,women flirt,that does not mean they deserve the kind of treatment noirin had recieved once she had stated she was not interested and to leave her alone,she valued his friendship and advice nothing more,he took advantage of that as he knew she was easily controlled.. in that situation a woman would always come out worst but in actual fact,it was marcus who was much in the wrong...

IM VOTING FOTR MARCUS TO WI---GET THE **** OUT!!!!

Dont see what he did wrong, he got played for a fool and then got a bit childish like you would. The occurences in the house and her VT in my eyes add up and you're right they do edit things in a certain way, and im sure that we didnt see everything she did to Marcus, so to try and use the Noirin situation to downgrade Marcus is wrong.

i dont know why u hate marcus so much

there is actually no one i hate anymore. i would like to see david or lisa go but the rest are cool and yes i am a marcus fan :thumbs2:

That's your opinion on Rachel and that's fine. For me, there is a bit of delusion there but that's just my view.

For me Rachel conned her way to the 100k, kept a low profile, so much to the degree where it actualyl got noticed and picked up on. One of the reasons she only won was because people thought Rex was picking on her which wasn't true at all. They actually got on pretty well together near the end. For me she wasn't true to herself and put on a massive front. She was a huge Big Brother fan and knew how to act. She used many of the thing's she learnt outside the house inside the house to her advantage.

Rachel won the 100k and just vanished into thin air. Now some may say that's because she doesn't want to promote anything or have anything to do mags or anything like that.

For me it's a different matter all together. I think Rachel played a fantastic game and got away with it and is now just enjoying her 100k. As it's a game show and she got away with it, you can say fair play and if that was his ambition which i think it was, then fair enough in that regard but for she fooled a lot of people and it's why there is a huge devide on the debate of Rachel and till this day many people don't understand how she won the show.

As for Marcus, the fact is if he wasn't liked or didn't deserve to be this far in the show, he would of been gone by now. Im surprised by some of the people still in the house but again, you could say all of the one's left in the house have earnt the right to still be in their because all of them have been up and the public decided to keep them in.

I seriously hope people don't think Marcus can't win this series because in two weeks time they could all be in for a huge surprise or be really upset because it could well happen. You don't know what can happen on the final night. He might just sway the public vote by doing something and win it. But the whole perverted thing doesn't wash with me.

I'v seen many people in the house perving at Sophie, Norin, Bea. Freddie did it, Marcus did, Sree did it. It's just the way life is. It doesn't really matter if you agree or disagree, it happens. Just have to deal with it.

he did not get played for a fool,this series everyone seems to have forgotten us guys have a few brain cells and some self control,why is it shown as noirin lured marcus in when all she did was perhaps act a little flirtly (as she subconciously does over flirt at times) but that does not mean we dont have a mind of our own right?so when she saw it was getting out of hand,she told him to back off and she wasnt interested,he said he knew and was doing it to pass the time,now once she has told him she is not interested she is then not responcible for his actions...

clearly you dont see anything wrong in marcus's actions which is fine as im not here to get you to think like me,but let me rephrase,the way marcus treated noirin no man should ever treat a woman,perhaps its just time has allowed some to forget his antics,but i know how in excusable his actions were..

im not talking cuddles and smiles,im talking all out emotional abuse to a point where he was dictating who she should or should not sit with,what she should and shouldnt listen to,and he wanted her for himself.. his reaction to when siavash had kissed noirin was perhaps juvinile but i do understand why he it affected him,but his treatment of noirin there after was also wrong,she had not lead him on,and she was not his yet he was going on as if she had cheated on him... he didnt get his way with her,that is the only reason he was licking his wounds and sulking in the corner for days on end..

perhaps when marcus leaves and it shows his highlights you may be aware,if not with a little research im sure you could see where im coming from..

No i remember what your talking about but i think you are reading way too much into it. You're talking as if Noirin was a walking zombie and was forced to listen to Marcus. If she didnt agree with what he was saying she could have just walked away or made a spectacle of him like she did with Siavash. To call it emotional abuse is about the most ridiculous thing i've ever heard.

Marcus was jealous of Tom and Siavash theres no denying that but Noirin was the one who went to Marcus to bitch about Tom and Siavash not the other way around.

no you misunderstand me,i do not think rachel should have won that year,but she won because she was genuine,she was rewarded for her kind nature and while you may argue that wasnt the real her,there was enough time for her to reveal her dark side,it just never happened..i do agree its a popular opinion that rachel shouldn't have won,but its not because she was a con,its just some felt a boring old nobody had no place winning the 100k..

with marcus,im not talking about harmless perving,as you said it is human nature to a point,but his treatment of noirin has far surpassed that of simple admiration for another housemate..passing glances and a rubbing of a thigh once in a while is not what i am refering to,however as i have said already,since time has passed i dont think its as fresh in some people's minds so they choose to overlook it,but marcus's advances were not as innocent as some make out..

i do see what your saying to a point,but what i have highlighted in a previos post is only a fraction of marcus's treatment towards noirin,thats not to say noirin did not speak to marcus on occasion,obviosly she did.. but as things escalated marcus took his obsession to new heights,if you dont see that then thats fair enough,but it did happen,i for one am not for over dramatising a situation,it is how it happened.. once a woman tells you she is not interested,and you then persue her,tell her how to act and what not,then that is what constitutes controlling someone..

his actions since noirin has left have shown a diffrent nicer side to him,but that is not to say he was right in the way he was with noirin while she was there.. he was obsessed with a woman he could not have,she made that clear,he insisted on "maybe we can have something when we get out" she told him no it wont happen,he still persisted with his constant need to control and dictate to her,thats not how you treat someone you consider a friend..

to say noirin led marcus on after she had made it clear that she is not interested in simply absurd,marcus himself even said he was doing it as he had nothing better to do,yet made noirin feel like muck for it.. yet some how noirin came off worst,such is the world we live in i suppose..

FFS, this is getting more boring than the kennedy assassination!

I'm voting to evict Marcus if he's up :)

Spoiler: HE'S UP!!!!!!!!

i know that now thank you.