Cheap Talk (Talking about the streets)
He walks around like hes something special, Like hes a peice of gold from the dirt.

And i didnt say it was a crime, i said he aint from the ghetto and he immitates that he is lie other rappers... Then people jump their guns and start blabbering when they havent even looked up.. If anything i was sticking up for him at first. But as more people come and say crap like that, it is actually putting me more off science.

Science is wicked, Come on people him or Makosi to win :laugh:

just as long as you are gifted&commited .not all rappers comes from the ghetto .some they don't come from broken families.like some of their lyrics suggest .

ok:hello:

I didnt suggest rappers came from the ghetto...

I said:

1. Science is nothing but a whack mc. His rhymes are crap and he aint a rapper.
2. Science pretends he is from the ghetto when he is far from it.
3. And exactly you made the point, Some claim they are from the streets, which is kinda what science is doing.

Both Science and Derick are supremely bad examples of what youngsters should develop into.

Science is an arrogant over bearing git with no time to absorb and understand what others are saying.. A man that seldom listens will never learn... Socially he is the worst mess of an example you could think of.....Having said that I don't regard him as a bad person in any way. He is just a mess when it comes to communicating and understanding other points of view... Science to Lose...

Derick. Is at the other end of the social spectrum and every bit as bad as Science but in a different way.

His posh stance is outdated and as old as the hills and in itself intimidating . He uses poshness to bully and show off his belief he is superior to all. Being posh does not automatically mean one is intelligent or nice. He is neither. Intelligence in Dereck has been replaces by basic animal cunning...Don't be fooled by the Dereck's of this world. There are a lot of such false idiots roaming about parliament right now. Dereck to lose..

I just hope no one ever grows up to be like either of them...

may be craig is the best example then

None of em are, theyre all warped in the house

I totally agree with your comments on Derek, he is actually a worse role model that what Science is imo, Science while a very loud and irritional person he is still young but has a compassionate side, Derek on the other hand see's life as just one big game and he totally manipulates people. He is in one the most ruthless professions and when has a politician ever been seen to be a nice person. He think's of himself as a leader and a gentleman but you are right he is a bully and he abuses his posistion as an older person in the house to bully others.

The way he keeps on about being ashamed of his own race is a poor example to set and he is almost like a black man trapped in a white racist man's body.

I think everyone is forgetting that this is a game show. I doubt very much that Derek would behave the way he does in the house in real life. The same goes with science. They didn't go into the house to be role models. No-one in there is a positive role model to youngsters. Even Eugene has turned nasty. The show aint for kids, even though they watch. The programme goes out after nine. If they didn't backstab how else could they infuence nominations without getting into trouble? I don't want people to 'be themselves' or have 'no gameplan'. It is a game! How boring would it be if everybody was nice and polite and agreed with each other?
I know it comes to a surprise to some people but here are some facts:
1. They all want to win the £100,000. (Well would you turn it down?)
2. They all want to be on t.v
3.They are all very much aware of the cameras
4.They are all using a gameplan (some better than others, some more obvious than others)
5. They are all 2 faced because they have to be (if they weren't no-one would speak to anyone at all. You tell someone to their face you don't like them and don't speak to them you will be up for nomination).

I'd rather people played the game properly, like Dereck and Makosi, than lounging about like they are on an 18-30 or club rep style holiday. I'm fed up of hearing lies like: 'I'm only here for the experience' or 'I don't want to win it'.

I want to be entertained. The nature of the show is that it is a competetition not a popularity contest. So those who lie, cheat, steal, backstab, bitch and cause arguments are playing the game. Dereck is using divide and rule. Makosi is using sexuality, lies, intrigue and her diva persona. Craig was using sucking up and bitching. Science is using truth to get the HM's to turn on each other. Kemal is trying to get brownie points by revealing Makosi as the mole. Orlaith, Anthony and Eugene aren't even trying.

What complete rubbish. I think you underestimate the different classes of people who like Science. The number of people who have been on BBL. Celebrities I might add, that like him. Suranne Jones from Coronation Street springs to mind. Is she into rap? It has nothing to do with his 'ghetto' talk. Which incidentally he doesn't actually speak. He has a quite common Leeds accent. I take it you are not used to the so called lower classes?

Rubbish. Back your statements better than that next time. Incidentally I am not a Science fan and even I can see that people of all ages and colour like him. Subsequently, there are plenty of people like yourself who don't. Next time just say you don't like him, then maybe you wouldn't not look so foolish.

PS IT'S A GAME. GET A GRIP.

I think everyone is forgetting that this is a game show. I doubt very much that Derek would behave the way he does in the house in real life. The same goes with science. They didn't go into the house to be role models. No-one in there is a positive role model to youngsters. Even Eugene has turned nasty. The show aint for kids, even though they watch. The programme goes out after nine. If they didn't backstab how else could they infuence nominations without getting into trouble? I don't want people to 'be themselves' or have 'no gameplan'. It is a game! How boring would it be if everybody was nice and polite and agreed with each other?
I know it comes to a surprise to some people but here are some facts:
1. They all want to win the £100,000. (Well would you turn it down?)
2. They all want to be on t.v
3.They are all very much aware of the cameras
4.They are all using a gameplan (some better than others, some more obvious than others)
5. They are all 2 faced because they have to be (if they weren't no-one would speak to anyone at all. You tell someone to their face you don't like them and don't speak to them you will be up for nomination).

I'd rather people played the game properly, like Dereck and Makosi, than lounging about like they are on an 18-30 or club rep style holiday. I'm fed up of hearing lies like: 'I'm only here for the experience' or 'I don't want to win it'.

I want to be entertained. The nature of the show is that it is a competetition not a popularity contest. So those who lie, cheat, steal, backstab, bitch and cause arguments are playing the game. Dereck is using divide and rule. Makosi is using sexuality, lies, intrigue and her diva persona. Craig was using sucking up and bitching. Science is using truth to get the HM's to turn on each other. Kemal is trying to get brownie points by revealing Makosi as the mole. Orlaith, Anthony and Eugene aren't even trying. [/quote]


yes totally agreee

100% AGREE. I just mentioned this on another post. IT'S A GAME. In fact let me just cut and paste what I have written as I am sick of the same old rubbish.

FFS I'm sick of the same old schitt. It's a game. Why do you have to be nice to win?


I for one would think it was funny if some bitch or sly git one. Morally wrong of course but funny.

Does anybody realise it's a game? That's why I liked Victor from last year. He played the game and won alot of fans for that, until the whole argument and wedding debacle. Who the Fook cares if they lie, or cheat. We don't have to like them. They would have won the game fair and square because it's a GAME. There are no rules in the house that say you have to be nice. That's why Big Brother 4 was schitt.

It really bemuses me. Yes I don't like any of the housemates really, but it's still watchable.

People need to take a dose of reality.

I disagree with some of the comments about Derek and I feel I should stand up to defend my main contender!


I think Derek has used his age and poshness to try and establish himself as a figure of authority in the house, (and even being quiz master in the games has helped reinforced this idea). He's done this with varying degrees of success; some housemates have bought into it, others are now starting to see him as the master schemer that he is.

Whether this is a form of bullying, is up to you. I don't think so. By making out that he is an authority figure in the house, it means that others are less likely to argue with him which may come across as bullying but I feel it is more that these people inherently need on some level some kind of authority despite their concious efforts to resist it. They tried to evict Derek a number of times but failed. He's established himself as popular with the outside and as a figure of authority and intelligence inside the house. This has given him great power over the other housemates.

But most importantly, by getting himself into this position, others are more likely to listen to what he says. Which is why he has been able to whisper Iago-style into people ears and influence their opinions of others. The most obvious culprits are Kemal and Eugene, who Derek seems able to easily manipulate.

He has played the game brilliantly, and this is the kind of character and game player that I like to see in the BB house. The major flaws with his plan that will come back to bite him in the proverbial is that if he is found out in the house (which is already starting to happen) then's he screwed with the housemates. And the public will not like his gameplaying ways. The public generally don't like people who go into the house and purposely try to play with housemates and manipulate them. Personally, it's the main reason I watch BB. I don't see the housemates as role models (although I can accept that they are role models to some but that's society's obsession with fame and that is why there are thousands of people queuing up to get on BB auditions), I see them as contestants on a game where whoever plays the game the best deserves to win it.

Derek to win (although he never will...)

It is a game and this lot are all out to win whatever they say. They will be underhand, friendly, bitchy, downright annoying as they see fit to make sure that they get that prize. No-one has gone in there to make friends - they are all sworn enemies and I cant see any of them remaining friends outside for very long.

Science is just playing the game, although more annoyingly than the others.

Yes Derek, is playing the game brilliantly. He lays the foundations, plants the seeds of doubt and contempt, then just sits back and watches it all erupt. Every Sunday he goes around each housemate, makes a snide comment or preaches nastily about someone he doesn't like, hoping they will nominate him/her? It's amusing watching it, especially as the others are to thick to notice it.

He's very clever that man. A clever, manipulative evil snob.

However, as someone mentioned on here. He does seem to think he's a black man 2nd and a white snob 1st. Science is right he shouldn't bring colour in to it. It's about your character and personality. If you don't like him fine, but to say that Science makes him want to join the BNP, or it's no wonder people are racist if they see the behaviour of Science..blah blah. Get a a grip on reality old man! His comments are disgraceful.

I'd agree that he is clever, manipulative and a snob. But not that he is evil, it's a game and he's playing it well, not a sign of evil.

And as Science said, no need to bring colour into it, which is why I didn't mention that in my post. At worst, Derek's comments are hyperbole, but I can accept he seems to have some issues with colour.

@ backtherighthorse said:- I think everyone is forgetting that this is a game show. I doubt very much that Derek would behave the way he does in the house in real life.


Well different guests on BBLB who know Dereck have said he is exactly the same in real life. I believe them. He is using his nasty personality to play a good game I admit. The fact he is playing a game does not change the fact he has an ugly dog eat dog personality in real life. To hero worship the likes of Thatcher is self evident of his true character.....

Science is a simple simon character with no real character.......He just makes himself noticed by shouting and shouting and being as irritating as possible.

I would not want any of the characters in there to be a roll model. Anthon is probably the most normal out of them all. Kemal is a disgrace to sexuality as a whole...Makosi is just a walking lie machine. Craige...Well he leaves one speachless..
Eugine once again speechless...

Weve got into a right old class war here, havent we :laugh:. As usual poor Derek gets attacked for <shock horror> speaking the Queen's English and representing the upperclasses, or as the working class refer to as 'Toffs'. Go back to your council houses, you dole scroungers. I like Derek not only because he is a Tory but he also likes fox hunting. That alone gets my support without considering what tricks he gets up to in the house. He has every right to take the morale highground in the house and tell off the other housemates for stepping out of line because he is, contrary to what bananarama said, an erudite man who has kept a war from breaking out betwee housemates and been honest more or less from the start. Its only the commoners, liberals and lefties that dislike Derek because he represents the aristocracy. Well, they can just bloody well sod off. Peasants.

And yes, I admit I loathe most northern English accents (except Geordie). I consider it an affliction to talk with Manchester, Liverpool and Leeds accents. That girl speaking with I imagine to be a Lancs accent in the porchettas adverts makes my skin itch.

As for Science fans, Im sure there are a few of them who aren't obsessed and copy his mannerisms, however, I still think a lot of young people will immitate his aggressive style because they are not brought enough to think for themselves.

I'm 47 & I don't want to copy him - I WOULD like my sons to have SCIENCE'S caring inner nature than the arrogance of "your" man Derek OR CRAIG'S manipulative ruthlessness & disregard for others in the name of profit & personal gain! This world is screwed up enough by manipulating evil cold & calculating a$$holes & pompous bigots!! YA get me!!!!!!:mad::mad::mad:

i like science and dereks arguements.

I dont understand what you mean by profit and personal gain. All of the housemates will get something when they leave the house. You seem to think theres some conspiracy afoot to get rid of Science who, as far as I can see, creates his own problems. All of the housemates have shown a caring side yes, even your man, so you could have said any of the housemates. But more importantly, Science has also shown the most aggression out of the housemates. And thats bad.

And as for pompous bigots, well, thats a bit rich considering Science's overt homophobia throughout the series.

Some seek but never find, those that have, want more, the moreyou have the less you want anyone else to have anything. Some give, a lot more take - some say what they have to say out in the open and stand by their word, most do it behind people's backs then deny when caught, some have to fight & work for little, others are handed plenty- what's worse, homophobia or racism? - What's the difference between the two - homosexuality is popular, accepted & rewarded Racists are never called to question, but left to do as they will, those who start with less have more gratitude & humility, those given most expect much more. Watch closer - I think provoked is more apt than creates - Science is no saint, but there is a heart within. not a swinging brick. It takes a lot not to fight back when attacked, Science hasn't had the chance to learn yet, he's had to fight to survive, while most of his attackers have been spoon fed. Before you ask - or assume, I don't see colour, but those who choose to, would see me as white - I'm not the only one who sees a conspiracy, & it has not just been Science, others have fallen to the pack before him, it's just his turn -

I agree with some of the comments and i think Science isnt setting a good example for young people watching. Science is self obsessed and has no respect for anyone in the house. The way he shouts and over rides every single housemate is disrespectful completely and the boy is an idiot. I have really started hating Science at the moment nearly as much as i hate Makosi. Science the great...i think not.

What a charming man you have shown yourself to be:rolleyes:. Your use of comments like "Go back to your council houses you dole scroungers" are deeply offensive, not to mention inaccurate. I am not a dole scrounger, and I own my own house, but unlike you I don't believe that it makes me a better person than anyone else.

You say Derek has stopped war breaking out between the housemates? What a joke. Derek causes most of the problems - he loads the bullets for other people to fire, for example the way he went on and on at Kemal to have a go at Orlaith the other night. Incidentally, I don't think people dislike Derek because of the way he speaks - maybe they don't like the fact that he's a snob?

You criticise people because you think they like Science because of the way he speaks (you seem unable to provide any evidence to back up this assertion however), yet you have indicated that you like Derek because of the way he speaks. Same thing really.

On another thread you called yourself a neutral observer to the show - yeah looks like it:mad:

If you don't like Science, fair enough. We all like and dislike different housemates for different reasons, but I think you are exceptionally rude to call the people on this board "peasants" and "dole scroungers." How dare you claim to know anything about anybody on this board, other than what they have posted here?

As for your comments about regional accents, and considering it an affliction to speak with a Lancashire accent, I consider it YOU are the one who is afflicted, as you are unable to look past the accent and listen to what people are saying. You make sweeping generalisations about people, based on what housemate they like, and openly admit that you like someone purely because they are a fan of fox hunting. Your opinion on fox hunting is not the issue here - however, the fact that you are prepared to like someone because of their accent and their hobby, without even looking at what they are like as a person says a lot about you.

If you think we're all such 'peasants' (your words), why do you bother to come here? Surely you don't believe that we are worthy of your great presence. That's the impression you give anyway.:mad: