[rquote=2517642&tid=145438&author=wushyboo]obviously i was watchin a completely didfferent BB to everyone else lisa did not bully anyone if i remember rightly charlie was the main hater of freddie and had nasty digs at him lisa as most of u keep pointin out just sat at the bus stop and smoked she only involved herself once everyone else harpooned her
bea actually get her self involved in serveral places turning on housemates cryin crocodile tears and generally being a big bitch [/rquote]

Ditto - and Freddie got loads of noms at the beginning because it took a while for HM,s to get him. They nominated him because he got on their nerves and not cos of Lisa. He only became more popular with HM's when he started to chill a bit and stopped his constant analysing

[rquote=2517654&tid=145438&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2517642&tid=145438&author=wushyboo]obviously i was watchin a completely didfferent BB to everyone else lisa did not bully anyone if i remember rightly charlie was the main hater of freddie and had nasty digs at him lisa as most of u keep pointin out just sat at the bus stop and smoked she only involved herself once everyone else harpooned her
bea actually get her self involved in serveral places turning on housemates cryin crocodile tears and generally being a big bitch [/rquote]

Whether you think she bullied him or not (am still undecided if it qualifies as bullying) how can you deny that on several different occasions she was extremely nasty and aggressive towards Freddie? All I wanted was her to be shown a couple of those clips and questioned about her behaviour as they did with Freddie[/rquote]

the only time i remember her being 'nasty' to freddie was hitting back at him with his stupid anylsing of the housemates and telling everyone that lisa was controlling the house she stood up for her self because any person would when a prat like him had it in for you
yes im not a big freddie fan but im also not a lisa fan i just dont see she did anything that warrented all those boos and such hatred of her there are other housemates in there that are really popular and might even win thats have done some very horrid things and have the personality of a polo mint

[rquote=2517679&tid=145438&author=wushyboo][rquote=2517654&tid=145438&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2517642&tid=145438&author=wushyboo]obviously i was watchin a completely didfferent BB to everyone else lisa did not bully anyone if i remember rightly charlie was the main hater of freddie and had nasty digs at him lisa as most of u keep pointin out just sat at the bus stop and smoked she only involved herself once everyone else harpooned her
bea actually get her self involved in serveral places turning on housemates cryin crocodile tears and generally being a big bitch [/rquote]

Whether you think she bullied him or not (am still undecided if it qualifies as bullying) how can you deny that on several different occasions she was extremely nasty and aggressive towards Freddie? All I wanted was her to be shown a couple of those clips and questioned about her behaviour as they did with Freddie[/rquote]

the only time i remember her being 'nasty' to freddie was hitting back at him with his stupid anylsing of the housemates and telling everyone that lisa was controlling the house she stood up for her self because any person would when a prat like him had it in for you
yes im not a big freddie fan but im also not a lisa fan i just dont see she did anything that warrented all those boos and such hatred of her there are other housemates in there that are really popular and might even win thats have done some very horrid things and have the personality of a polo mint[/rquote]

What about the time when she laid into him for supporting Noirin with the hungerstrike thing? She didn't lay into Noirin who was the one threatening to do it. And what about the time she was in his face shouting? I believe she got a warning for that one. Also during the opera singing task, this one could be considered bullying, where she was saying wouldn't it be a shame if ye failed because "somebody" forgot their words and you two are doing so well etc etc. I'm sure Freddie fans can give you more examples!

[rquote=2517642&tid=145438&author=wushyboo]obviously i was watchin a completely didfferent BB to everyone else lisa did not bully anyone if i remember rightly charlie was the main hater of freddie and had nasty digs at him lisa as most of u keep pointin out just sat at the bus stop and smoked she only involved herself once everyone else harpooned her
bea actually get her self involved in serveral places turning on housemates cryin crocodile tears and generally being a big bitch [/rquote]

You must have only started watching about 6 weeks in then. Whether certain behaviour constitutes bullying or not - and a lot of nonsense has been said on here, about a few of the housemates in this regard - Lisa, with Kris & Karly as her lieutenants, treated Freddie appalingly, for no real reason, for a number of weeks as she felt invincible. He was not allowed open his mouth without having one or other of them telling him to shut up, even when he was being helpful or sensible. Lisa allowed nobody challenge her & built a group around her to do her biddding. The first we saw of this was when she angrily took a token for herself because a few, not all, of the others had used one for booze. She set herself up as someone to stay on the right side of & not to be crossed that night, in a very agressive manner. She then put down anyone who even hinted at challengng her legitimally, like Freddie or Marcus & constantly belittled them to her gang at the smoking area, especially Karly, which set the tone. This allowed her to stay largely in the background from then, only getting involved when she really had to or when she needed to stir it up again.

[rquote=2517398&tid=145438&author=***Karezza***]Lisa's bullying of Freddie wasn't even mentioned. :nono:[/rquote]

I haven't liked this year interviews, because nothing is mentioned. Even when Marcus in his eviction mentioned the name Rodrigo, Davina stopped him. Like censorship.
Are they scared that they mention something that they didn't want us to know?
Or could it be that the editing has shown a very different reality?? from the being inside???

i can proudly say i have watched every single big brother episode from the start including every BBBM and BBLB and alot of the late night feeds (i have to sleep some time!!)
i believe she was not the only one to be again the hunger strike but she was one of the few to have a voice and opinion and freddie also speaks up but noirin will watch a agruement start then sit back and let other continue it i guess they are just both outspoken people and u can blame the both for having shouting matches
why did freddie butt in on the bunny gate and start his rediculious shakespearian rant when he even said in it that he wasnt even there to hear what happened freddie could meddle in things that didnt even involve him.

during the opera task i think its karly who was on at halfwit all the time when he was practising she shouted at him to shut up and roddy who complained halfway through when halfwit cut in too early
i have very much enjoyed this years BB but i dont actually like any of the housemate all of them have bad qualities like i said i just dont think lisa was as bad as everyone is making out

i dont think any one could tell that lil witch karly what to do i really dont think lisa was building an army as people have put it she smoked she hung out at the bus stop and made friends with other smokers i dont think charlie has ever been in lisas 'gang' or sophie and both of them hated freddie at the begining you forget freddie got so many nominations at the start from nearly every member of that house i really dont think this was down to lisa but if u do believe this then that makes ur favourites lil sheep who havent got there own mind and thats not what i want in my winner or favourite

[rquote=2517694&tid=145438&author=Len_Brennan][rquote=2517642&tid=145438&author=wushyboo]obviously i was watchin a completely didfferent BB to everyone else lisa did not bully anyone if i remember rightly charlie was the main hater of freddie and had nasty digs at him lisa as most of u keep pointin out just sat at the bus stop and smoked she only involved herself once everyone else harpooned her
bea actually get her self involved in serveral places turning on housemates cryin crocodile tears and generally being a big bitch [/rquote]

You must have only started watching about 6 weeks in then. Whether certain behaviour constitutes bullying or not - and a lot of nonsense has been said on here, about a few of the housemates in this regard - Lisa, with Kris & Karly as her lieutenants, treated Freddie appalingly, for no real reason, for a number of weeks as she felt invincible. He was not allowed open his mouth without having one or other of them telling him to shut up, even when he was being helpful or sensible. Lisa allowed nobody challenge her & built a group around her to do her biddding. The first we saw of this was when she angrily took a token for herself because a few, not all, of the others had used one for booze. She set herself up as someone to stay on the right side of & not to be crossed that night, in a very agressive manner. She then put down anyone who even hinted at challengng her legitimally, like Freddie or Marcus & constantly belittled them to her gang at the smoking area, especially Karly, which set the tone. This allowed her to stay largely in the background from then, only getting involved when she really had to or when she needed to stir it up again.[/rquote]

Spot on, both of your posts. Clearly some people have not been following the show in any detail. Maybe switching on and off, or watching one episode a week or something. It's not a matter of perspective...these were concrete events that happened.
The over the top comments in here about wanting to see HM's strung up...yes you people ARE missing the point.
The point is about bullying going unnoticed and not addressed the way it should be. Bullying is stopped and intervened in schools, workplaces etc all the time. So why shouldn't it be addressed on a national T.V. show with millions of viewers?

having one slanging match with someone over a shopping list is not bullying -bullying is a nasty horrible thing that noone should go through what ever the situation but i do not believe there has been any bullying on big bro this year bea was the perfect example of crying wolf about bully at freddie people use the word in the wrong way and its about time they were pulled up for it

[rquote=2517361&tid=145438&author=Niamhxo][rquote=2517355&tid=145438&author=6*Alives]I think it was easier for Davina to be mean to Bea cos Bea is not "Hard" I think Davina was too scared of Lisa to be Mean to her![/rquote]

I think so too, at the very start of her eviction interview she said something negative and Lisa start getting aggitated and aggresive and Davina changed to something positive almost instantly. I reckon she's very scary to be on the wrong side of tbh[/rquote]
i totally agree that davina looked intimidated... im fed up with mccalls biased interviews! shes past her sell by date i think...:bored:

[rquote=2517796&tid=145438&author=NolasGirl][rquote=2517694&tid=145438&author=Len_Brennan][rquote=2517642&tid=145438&author=wushyboo]obviously i was watchin a completely didfferent BB to everyone else lisa did not bully anyone if i remember rightly charlie was the main hater of freddie and had nasty digs at him lisa as most of u keep pointin out just sat at the bus stop and smoked she only involved herself once everyone else harpooned her
bea actually get her self involved in serveral places turning on housemates cryin crocodile tears and generally being a big bitch [/rquote]

You must have only started watching about 6 weeks in then. Whether certain behaviour constitutes bullying or not - and a lot of nonsense has been said on here, about a few of the housemates in this regard - Lisa, with Kris & Karly as her lieutenants, treated Freddie appalingly, for no real reason, for a number of weeks as she felt invincible. He was not allowed open his mouth without having one or other of them telling him to shut up, even when he was being helpful or sensible. Lisa allowed nobody challenge her & built a group around her to do her biddding. The first we saw of this was when she angrily took a token for herself because a few, not all, of the others had used one for booze. She set herself up as someone to stay on the right side of & not to be crossed that night, in a very agressive manner. She then put down anyone who even hinted at challengng her legitimally, like Freddie or Marcus & constantly belittled them to her gang at the smoking area, especially Karly, which set the tone. This allowed her to stay largely in the background from then, only getting involved when she really had to or when she needed to stir it up again.[/rquote]

Spot on, both of your posts. Clearly some people have not been following the show in any detail. Maybe switching on and off, or watching one episode a week or something. It's not a matter of perspective...these were concrete events that happened.
The over the top comments in here about wanting to see HM's strung up...yes you people ARE missing the point.
The point is about bullying going unnoticed and not addressed the way it should be. Bullying is stopped and intervened in schools, workplaces etc all the time. So why shouldn't it be addressed on a national T.V. show with millions of viewers?[/rquote]
Lisa did not like Freddie from the start. He came from a privilaged background and is well educated, with a posh accent. Things that Lisa resented. He showed his breeding by his willingness to make friends with her she didnt give him that chance. Lisa is narrow minded - yes, aggresive -yes, backbiting - yes, bitter and jaded - yes, but none of these make her a bully. And yes I do know about bullying in schools - probably much more than most. But people have to accept strong conflicts of personalites and understand situations without screaming the word BULLY! Accept there are many truths and yours is just one. It doesn't make it fact!

[rquote=2517746&tid=145438&author=wushyboo]i can proudly say i have watched every single big brother episode from the start including every BBBM and BBLB and alot of the late night feeds (i have to sleep some time!!)
i believe she was not the only one to be again the hunger strike but she was one of the few to have a voice and opinion and freddie also speaks up but noirin will watch a agruement start then sit back and let other continue it i guess they are just both outspoken people and u can blame the both for having shouting matches
why did freddie butt in on the bunny gate and start his rediculious shakespearian rant when he even said in it that he wasnt even there to hear what happened freddie could meddle in things that didnt even involve him.

during the opera task i think its karly who was on at halfwit all the time when he was practising she shouted at him to shut up and roddy who complained halfway through when halfwit cut in too early
i have very much enjoyed this years BB but i dont actually like any of the housemate all of them have bad qualities like i said i just dont think lisa was as bad as everyone is making out[/rquote]

Well even if you don't believe she was as bad as people are making out, do you not think Davina should atleast have shown her a couple of clips and questioned her about it? I mean if thats your opinion, fine, I'll respect that but she did question Freddie about his arguements with Lisa so why wouldn't she do the same with Lisa. This is what most people were wanting to see