There's is absolutely no basis whatsoever to the idea that Marcus's treatment of people was varied or inconsistent, and I haven't seen you give any examples whatsoever El Prox. The key example I will give is in relation to Tom... Yes there was bravado and a bit of facade etc. on Marcus' part.. But if you had been watching the livefeed the night Tom was in jail.. you will have seen the direct confrontation between the two, whereby both "egos" for want of a better word came head to head. The point that Marcus may have taken on roles of bravado etc. is completely separate to the point you are attempting to make about him being selective with it... If there was any truth to what you're saying he would have avoided Tom entirely.

You might need to explain more directly what you mean.
I'm not denying that the behaviour towards and speeches about Tom were laughable...but the point is, any well balanced person accepts that people have flaws...that generally clashes of personalities etc. and insecurties can result in people acting up and maybe making themselves look foolish. But we can relate to the fact that this is a flaw that is human and relates to everyone, however it may vary.

You might want to take a look at the HM you support, for exhibiting such behaviour of defensiveness, bravado etc. The idea that Marcus needs to be singled out is completely based on superficial reasons. Yer girl dixiebell's post sums this whole thing up. Completely superficial, unfounded and shallow view based on a stereotype of a particular kind of person you don't like!

[rquote=2527650&tid=145483&author=NolasGirl]There's is absolutely no basis whatsoever to the idea that Marcus's treatment of people was varied or inconsistent, and I haven't seen you give any examples whatsoever El Prox. The key example I will give is in relation to Tom... Yes there was bravado and a bit of facade etc. on Marcus' part.. But if you had been watching the livefeed the night Tom was in jail.. you will have seen the direct confrontation between the two, whereby both "egos" for want of a better word came head to head. The point that Marcus may have taken on roles of bravado etc. is completely separate to the point you are attempting to make about him being selective with it... If there was any truth to what you're saying he would have avoided Tom entirely. You might need to explain more directly what you mean.
I'm not denying that the behaviour towards and speeches about Tom were laughable...but the point is, any well balanced person accepts that people have flaws...that generally clashes of personalities etc. and insecurties can result in people acting up and maybe making themselves look foolish. But we can relate to the fact that this is a flaw that is human and relates to everyone, however it may vary.
You might want to take a look at the HM you support, for exhibiting such behaviour of defensiveness, bravado etc. The idea that Marcus needs to be singled out is completely based on superficial reasons. Yer girl dixiebell's post sums this whole thing up. Completely superficial, unfounded and shallow view based on a stereotype of a particular kind of person you don't like! [/rquote]

touche baby, touche, incisive and accurate post...but could you please split it up a bit with white space cos its a bitch to read in its present form...

best
scott

Done scott :wink:

[rquote=2527650&tid=145483&author=NolasGirl]There's is absolutely no basis whatsoever to the idea that Marcus's treatment of people was varied or inconsistent, and I haven't seen you give any examples whatsoever El Prox. The key example I will give is in relation to Tom... Yes there was bravado and a bit of facade etc. on Marcus' part.. But if you had been watching the livefeed the night Tom was in jail.. you will have seen the direct confrontation between the two, whereby both "egos" for want of a better word came head to head. The point that Marcus may have taken on roles of bravado etc. is completely separate to the point you are attempting to make about him being selective with it... If there was any truth to what you're saying he would have avoided Tom entirely.

You might need to explain more directly what you mean.
I'm not denying that the behaviour towards and speeches about Tom were laughable...but the point is, any well balanced person accepts that people have flaws...that generally clashes of personalities etc. and insecurties can result in people acting up and maybe making themselves look foolish. But we can relate to the fact that this is a flaw that is human and relates to everyone, however it may vary.

You might want to take a look at the HM you support, for exhibiting such behaviour of defensiveness, bravado etc. The idea that Marcus needs to be singled out is completely based on superficial reasons. Yer girl dixiebell's post sums this whole thing up. Completely superficial, unfounded and shallow view based on a stereotype of a particular kind of person you don't like! [/rquote]

:hello::thumbs:
I could never have said this better and nothing more needs to be said.

[rquote=2527690&tid=145483&author=NolasGirl]Done scott :wink:[/rquote]

err..no it was not? where the feck was it like?

anyway
best
scott

It was funny. Seems people see him rollin, they hatin

[rquote=2527650&tid=145483&author=NolasGirl]There's is absolutely no basis whatsoever to the idea that Marcus's treatment of people was varied or inconsistent, and I haven't seen you give any examples whatsoever El Prox. The key example I will give is in relation to Tom... Yes there was bravado and a bit of facade etc. on Marcus' part.. But if you had been watching the livefeed the night Tom was in jail.. you will have seen the direct confrontation between the two, whereby both "egos" for want of a better word came head to head. The point that Marcus may have taken on roles of bravado etc. is completely separate to the point you are attempting to make about him being selective with it... If there was any truth to what you're saying he would have avoided Tom entirely.

You might need to explain more directly what you mean.
I'm not denying that the behaviour towards and speeches about Tom were laughable...but the point is, any well balanced person accepts that people have flaws...that generally clashes of personalities etc. and insecurties can result in people acting up and maybe making themselves look foolish. But we can relate to the fact that this is a flaw that is human and relates to everyone, however it may vary.

You might want to take a look at the HM you support, for exhibiting such behaviour of defensiveness, bravado etc. The idea that Marcus needs to be singled out is completely based on superficial reasons. Yer girl dixiebell's post sums this whole thing up. Completely superficial, unfounded and shallow view based on a stereotype of a particular kind of person you don't like! [/rquote]

Well posted, Marcus had a BB head on whilst in the house, after all it's a game show with a large prize. He got tired, bored with the game, and after Lisa's block voting gang got Freddie evicted he had no one in that house on his level. When he said he wanted to go. I for one believe he genuinely did want to go. Not walk like some he waited out his time, and provided some excellent BB moments....get over it El mingeo....Lisa was a complete bore, fags n tea, tea n fags wow super stuff....& at least he's popular on the outside. BTW? are you Lisa's long lost love.

[rquote=2528056&tid=145483&author=scot][rquote=2527690&tid=145483&author=NolasGirl]Done scott :wink:[/rquote]

err..no it was not? where the feck was it like?

anyway
best
scott[/rquote]

I edited it just for you :wink: I thought that was what you wanted, lol

[rquote=2528104&tid=145483&author=NolasGirl][rquote=2528056&tid=145483&author=scot][rquote=2527690&tid=145483&author=NolasGirl]Done scott :wink:[/rquote]

err..no it was not? where the feck was it like?

anyway
best
scott[/rquote]

I edited it just for you :wink: I thought that was what you wanted, lol[/rquote]

well, baby, you are THE best, that's how its all played out. the best to to you! x

Thank you :blush2: :flowers:

[rquote=2528184&tid=145483&author=NolasGirl]Thank you :blush2: :flowers:[/rquote]

you are the most welcome...but what can you do western style

[rquote=2527650&tid=145483&author=NolasGirl]There's is absolutely no basis whatsoever to the idea that Marcus's treatment of people was varied or inconsistent, and I haven't seen you give any examples whatsoever El Prox. The key example I will give is in relation to Tom... Yes there was bravado and a bit of facade etc. on Marcus' part.. But if you had been watching the livefeed the night Tom was in jail.. you will have seen the direct confrontation between the two, whereby both "egos" for want of a better word came head to head. The point that Marcus may have taken on roles of bravado etc. is completely separate to the point you are attempting to make about him being selective with it... If there was any truth to what you're saying he would have avoided Tom entirely.

You might need to explain more directly what you mean.
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Before you make a post like that then try READING THE POSTS YOU ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT FIRST,
and,
OPEN YOUR EYES and notice where I SPECIFICALLY TOOK YOU THROUGH CASE AFTER CASE AND EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE.

But for some pointless reason you just right 'as if' that never happened and titter about how Im 'unable to show example' WHEN EXAMPLES WERE THE VERY FIRST THING GIVEN TO START THIS.
Go back and READ
Then,
and only then, Reply.

*And no, I am not once again REWRITING posts that detail in almost step-by-step person-by-person example after example DEMONSTRATING Marcy is cruel to the weak or when he can get away with it,
and,
Cute and 'boyish' when he (thinks) he CANNOT get away with it,
and,
I even gave SPECIFIC INCIDENTS all but 'time of day' and episode number.
THINK!
Learn to THINK and READ FIRST or stop wasting my time with fake 'replies' to imaginary people.

PMSL. you wont or CANT?

[rquote=2528250&tid=145483&author=Shasown]PMSL. you wont or CANT?[/rquote]

You are pretending to 'PMSL' and taunt and YET THE FIRST POST THAT INITIATED THE 'Show examples' Challenge WAS EXAMPLES:


And,
Yes, in NUMEROUS posts throughout this season myself and others have discussed SPECIFIC EXAMPLES where Marcy:

- Boldly blasted a hostile attack on a middle-aged woman but only when he know MOST everyone in the room surrounding her was on his side, bumlicked them as 'friends' and isolated her,
- Boldly decided he got to be boss over 120lbs Uni student Sree happily telling him what to do and even that when knowing most of the house hated Sree.
and,
- WAITED until he saw everyone ganging up on David and Lisa and were pointing and laughing and taunting and THEN Marcy finds a place and gets is happy to mock them,
yet,
VERSUS
- The moment he saw Tom he suddenly became a 'friendly lil best mate' who is all affable.
He DID once hide in the garden covered in a duvet and under his breath WARN someone else Tom was in danger of getting it,
yet,
At any time he was near Tom he was a 'friendly little best fun mate' and 'his best friend',
and,
Likewise the moment Isaac walked in the door (a guy just as annoying as Sree) but Marcy's posture magically becomes floppy and his head lowers and he is once again always 'best fun mate' "look at me Im a harmless little fellow" body language and banter.
and
Once again Marcy gets into a Diary Room where he knows he is safe and wow can he ever tell that woman to 'Go FACKKKK OFF you dirty *****',
but,
As soon as he was face to face with the real BB women he head lowers, his posture slopes and he twinkles a 'cutey boy' smile and plays, at worst a 'little scampy boy sowwy',
and,
is a 'best fun time mate' to all the actual BB men.

There were points in the season where we made this something 'scientific' and could actually PREDICT when and to whom he would be a hostile badboy bully and when 'smiley Marcy mate' would be put on.

The guy is a fraud of the worst kind. the worst kind of two-face there is.
Smiles and obeys when he cant hurt,
but,
as soon as he corners a weaker one - he turns on them.
worst kind of bully. the 'weakling bully' that is Marcy.

READ THIS POST BEFORE MAKING STUPID REPLIES LIKE:
"Hmmph.. just as I thought.. no examples".
READ.
RESPOND AFTER.

[rquote=2528258&tid=145483&author=ElProximo]

You are pretending to 'PMSL' and taunt and YET THE FIRST POST THAT INITIATED THE 'Show examples' Challenge WAS EXAMPLES:


There were points in the season where we made this something 'scientific' and could actually PREDICT when and to whom he would be a hostile badboy bully and when 'smiley Marcy mate' would be put on.

The guy is a fraud of the worst kind. the worst kind of two-face there is.
Smiles and obeys when he cant hurt, but, as soon as he corners a weaker one - he turns on them.
worst kind of bully. the 'weakling bully' that is Marcy.

READ THIS POST BEFORE MAKING STUPID REPLIES LIKE:
"Hmmph.. just as I thought.. no examples".
READ.
RESPOND AFTER.


[/rquote]

I know I shouldn't laugh but I couldn't help it.

Yeah I did read your post, for what it is worth. You really do need to get out more, All that hate brewing up inside cant be good for you.

Ever tried meditating or working all that fustration off by some form of physical exercise, let me suggest dancing or something. Or maybe even therapy.

Have you been hurt by someone like him in the past?

Have you tried the Befrienders?

Befrienders offer a service that is completely confidential. You don't have to give your name - you can remain anonymous. Everything you say will remain completely confidential.

A befriender will not judge you or tell you what to do. But a befriender will listen to you.

A real friend does offer a quality and fair judgment and knows how to deliver it with best intentions.
You might say that is how you can spot a 'true friend'.

A false friend might be someone who 'high fives' Marcy and says things like 'ya but Sree was an annoying little runt'.
Oh wait. Marcy said that.
emphasis on 'little'.
*Mind you, after finding out how weak Marcy really was I suspect Sree actually could beat him up and make him eat dog food if he wanted lol

[rquote=2528271&tid=145483&author=ElProximo]
A real friend does offer a quality and fair judgment and knows how to deliver it with best intentions.
You might say that is how you can spot a 'true friend'.

A false friend might be someone who 'high fives' Marcy and says things like 'ya but Sree was an annoying little runt'.
Oh wait. Marcy said that.
emphasis on 'little'.
*Mind you, after finding out how weak Marcy really was I suspect Sree actually could beat him up and make him eat dog food if he wanted lol

[/rquote]

Once again the venom filled response, bringing Marcus into it .

Come on its good for your soul, try typing out his full name.

In order to overcome your fears you have to confront them.

Come on type his name you know you want to, in fact you need to, go on type it with me M A R C U S.

The first steps are the hardest, arent they?

In case you didn't notice - the OP and topic is about Marcy.

btw.. the 'spell Marcus' thing doesn't actually work. Not funny. fail.

Oh i am sorry i viewed your constant hate fuelled posts about Marcus more as a cry for help, so I tried to help and show you that you have other resources available to help you through the emotional crisis you are so very obviously undergoing.

I know it was a bit off topic but I am sure everyone on the forum would excuse me for that, if it helps you get the help you are quite obviously in need of.

You are not alone you know, if you wont try befrienders try googling for other local agencies that will listen. Seeking help isnt a sign of weakness you know. The first step is admitting you have a problem. Its probably the hardest step. But I am sure with a little courage from yourself and bags of encouragement from your friends here at TIBB you can get through this.

[rquote=2528258&tid=145483&author=ElProximo]
- Boldly blasted a hostile attack on a middle-aged woman but only when he know MOST everyone in the room surrounding her was on his side, bumlicked them as 'friends' and isolated her,[/rquote]

OK, Marcus did not attack Lisa (I'm positive that's who you are referring to), Lisa was the aggressor in the argument, then when Marcus stood up to her and made valid points at her (because noone else would) she started behaving like she was 12.

Marcus was the only person that wasn't afraid to pussyfoot around Sree, he told him straight out what he thought after witnessing him mess around not putting his all into tasks etc. Everyone else just let him get away with it.

Yes he did do this, however this is absolutely no different to the behaviour shown by your favourite Lisa and her gang with the treatment of Freddie. Many a times she got involved when her gang was attacking him verbally. So one rule for your favourite another for the rest of the HMs????

Marcus, if you remember was a very welcoming person and was friendly to everyone when he first went into the house. It was only when certain HMs started annoying him his attitude started changing towards them, ie Sree, ie Lisa. Unlike other Hms he wasn't scared to show this. When Tom and Isaac came in he was friendly to them, like he was to everyone else.
It was only when Tom started winding him up with his digs and comments that Marcus changed towards him.

Marcus's relationship with BB changed after the whole Sree incident when he was singled out after Sree started the whole thing. Marcus realised then BB was full of it and was going to pussyfoot around certain HMs. So he developed a relationship with BB where he would push at them to see when they'd break(just like Victor back in BB5). Also with their tasks being as lame and HMs being punished for doing something BB wanted them to do, Marcus lost respect for BB.
To address your point on when he came out of Diary Room, by this point he has actually got to know them pretty well, remember we're only seeing 1hours highly edited footage to make our judgements, so we don't know how they've bonded, or anything like that.
Marcus even told the HMs what he would tell BB about his ponytail, and he said it word for word. How is that a fraud???

I cannot see where the two-face side comes into play!!!
And a "Weakling bully" as you put it, he is not. If he was do you not think he would've jumped at the chance to attack Siavash after Noirin jilted him for Isaac. Siavash was at his lowest point there, and Marcus was still annoyed with him, yet he went out and befriended him once again to pick his spirits up.
However there are far more examples for Lisa that could prove she is the bully.

Marcus was intimidated by Siavash who is bigger and more muscular than Marcus, pulled stronger in the truck pull (Marcy looked the weakest),
and,
Siavash just blatantly challenged Tom face-to-face without even blinking an eye.

In other 'weird justifications' you make it sound like Marcus 'granted Tom and Isaac friendliness.. until they ruined their chances',
WTF are you even watching?
You date a man who punches you when he is drunk too?
wtf?
No - Marcy was SCARED of them and KNEW he couldn't push either of them around for 'daring to annoy him' (like little uni students and middle aged women,
so,
He DID NOT AND NEVER SO MUCH AS LOOKED AT TOM without having a 'fun boy' little innocent-guy smile.

Marcy is the worst kind of coward and if you still cannot see that then good luck getting punched by your next series of boyfriends but later telling your friends 'he didn't mean it.. I really asked for it.. i really shouldn't have said that'
Sad.

*Oh and one last thing - It was Marcus who was annoying Sree. Not the other way around.

[rquote=2528298&tid=145483&author=ElProximo]
Marcus was intimidated by Siavash who is bigger and more muscular than Marcus, pulled stronger in the truck pull (Marcy looked the weakest),
and,
Siavash just blatantly challenged Tom face-to-face without even blinking an eye.

In other 'weird justifications' you make it sound like Marcus 'granted Tom and Isaac friendliness.. until they ruined their chances',
WTF are you even watching?
You date a man who punches you when he is drunk too?
wtf?
No - Marcy was SCARED of them and KNEW he couldn't push either of them around for 'daring to annoy him' (like little uni students and middle aged women,
so,
He DID NOT AND NEVER SO MUCH AS LOOKED AT TOM without having a 'fun boy' little innocent-guy smile.

Marcy is the worst kind of coward and if you still cannot see that then good luck getting punched by your next series of boyfriends but later telling your friends 'he didn't mean it.. I really asked for it.. i really shouldn't have said that'
Sad.

*Oh and one last thing - It was Marcus who was annoying Sree. Not the other way around.
[/rquote]

who would you like to win now ?

Marcus comes across as a very insecure, scared young-ish man, who doesn't quite know how to relate to the world around him appears a bit of a loner, and seems to lack some intricate social skills.


He's very awkward around women, and tends to box them into categories, but doesn't really know how to interact with them, beyond them being 'mates'

However, the appearance on BB will probably bring him out of his closeted world, if only for a while.


He also has that air of working class background but with middle class snobbish aspirations where he comes across as judgmental.


But all in all, there has been a whole lot worse that have passed through the BB doors.


He has likable traits, and others that are not so appreciative- but don't we all?

i like him as a person.

and i think he is a really good friend to the people he knows.

a lot of people have analysed him to the last dot, forgetting the bb brain.

all the hate and spiteful names us marcus supporters have had thrown at us has been like water off a ducks back.

for me this year he made the show and i am proud he got as far as he did. :cheer2: :kiss: :cheer2:

old poxy just cannot let him go, i will miss my daily laugh fest at her rants,
:joker:

omg el proximo just get over it your more obsessed by Marcus then the Marcus fans. Every single one of your posts are about him. I thought you would stop once he was evicted but no you are still banging on about the same old rubbish. Get a life it's only a game show. Your Marcus constipation is getting really old now I think you need to go for a poo at pauls to get rid off most of the **** you are talking about.