[rquote=2534757&tid=146047&author=WAYNEEBRUM]

Are you serious?i dont know how old you are but you have a lot to learn if you dont know that to go behind your friends back and start a relationship with someone who they have been after for ages
is just wrong.Think about it.[/rquote]

I am serious and I don't see what my age has to do with this.

If I went behind my friends back and got off with a guy, who she had been chasing for ages, and he kept saying "no" to her.

My friend would probably thank me for ending that sorry charade.

Just because Marcus was after Noirin, doesn't mean she was powerless to chase someone else.

[rquote=2534763&tid=146047&author=dixiebell1991]
If your friend fancies a girl and totally nosedives and crumbles about her then it is not very 'loyal to your friend' to jump in and try and get her for yourself. When it came down to it siavash did not give a $hit about friends or girlfriends and ignored everything except his hairy a$$ desire to get off with norin. If I was marcus, or his girlfriend i would feel totally let down by that and would consider all his pathetic waffling and actions to be worthless and the bloke a fake. goodbye.

Would you like me to explain anything else[/rquote]

Yes please explain why what Noirin wants isn't part of your explanation.

Siavash and Noirin fancied each other.

Marcus was smothering Noirin like a duvet for weeks. She didn't want a relationship with him.

She chose Siavash.

What is soo wrong about that?

[rquote=2534765&tid=146047&author=GypsyGoth][rquote=2534757&tid=146047&author=WAYNEEBRUM]

Are you serious?i dont know how old you are but you have a lot to learn if you dont know that to go behind your friends back and start a relationship with someone who they have been after for ages
is just wrong.Think about it.[/rquote]






Just because Marcus was after Noirin, doesn't mean she was powerless to chase someone else.[/rquote]
Why are you talking about Noirin?She can do what she wants its Siavash(the good soul) im talking about.

[rquote=2534772&tid=146047&author=WAYNEEBRUM]

Why are you talking about Noirin?She can do what she wants its Siavash(the good soul) im talking about.[/rquote]

Fine, Siavash has seen his friend humiliated by a girl for a few weeks, she continually rebuffs him.

Why should Siavash feel that Noirin is in some way bound to Marcus.

Marcus didn't consult Siavash before chasing Noirin, why should Siavash extend Marcus any such courtesy.

I don't see the rule off friendship that Siavash is meant to have stepped over.

[rquote=2534777&tid=146047&author=GypsyGoth][rquote=2534772&tid=146047&author=WAYNEEBRUM]

Why are you talking about Noirin?She can do what she wants its Siavash(the good soul) im talking about.[/rquote]

Fine, Siavash has seen his friend humiliated by a girl for a few weeks, she continually rebuffs him.

Why should Siavash feel that Noirin is in some way bound to Marcus.

Marcus didn't consult Siavash before chasing Noirin, why should Siavash extend Marcus any such courtesy.

I don't see the rule off friendship that Siavash is meant to have stepped over.[/rquote]:mad:[rquote=2534777&tid=146047&author=GypsyGoth][rquote=2534772&tid=146047&author=WAYNEEBRUM]

Why are you talking about Noirin?She can do what she wants its Siavash(the good soul) im talking about.[/rquote]




I don't see the rule off friendship that Siavash is meant to have stepped over.[/rquote]
:mad:[rquote=2534777&tid=146047&author=GypsyGoth][rquote=2534772&tid=146047&author=WAYNEEBRUM]

Why are you talking about Noirin?She can do what she wants its Siavash(the good soul) im talking about.[/rquote]

Fine, Siavash has seen his friend humiliated by a girl for a few weeks, she continually rebuffs him.

Why should Siavash feel that Noirin is in some way bound to Marcus.

Marcus didn't consult Siavash before chasing Noirin, why should Siavash extend Marcus any such courtesy.

I don't see the rule off friendship that Siavash is meant to have stepped over.[/rquote]:mad:[rquote=2534777&tid=146047&author=GypsyGoth][rquote=2534772&tid=146047&author=WAYNEEBRUM]

Why are you talking about Noirin?She can do what she wants its Siavash(the good soul) im talking about.[/rquote]




I don't see the rule off friendship that Siavash is meant to have stepped over.[/rquote]

oops sorry for that.Dont ban me vicky lol

You lot have gone way off topic in your defence of Siavash when all I've been trying to illustrate is the hypocrisy of his fans- continually seeing it from his point of view and spinning it in his favour. Tonight's show and the reactions on the forum is evidence of it, when you had very flippantly dismissed his ex for a month or so and now all of a sudden you claim he's sore over it all, a few days before the end. Thats your main excuse for his actions.

His motivations are not my concern right now anyway; it's your motivations. Do I have to go back a few days in the posts to find the comments where you lot said she was a wannabe and that she's not worth it and that Siavash was right to turn his back on her? Must I illustrate the comments where you said it's only a month, no big deal? You've all said things like this. And now all of a sudden he shows a sudden bout of remorse - total bull by the way - and you go awwww, lovely Siavash, when you and he had forgotten her or just plain ridiculed her for quite some time. I'm talking about your hyprocrisy right now, not his.

[rquote=2534784&tid=146047&author=WAYNEEBRUM]oops sorry for that.Dont ban me vicky lol[/rquote]

For what :shrug:

I did call said g/f a wannabe and fame hungry, I still think she is.

The fact that he thinks of her and regrets dumping her on tv, doesn't make me change my opinion of her. It just illustrates his capacity to think of others.

anyway its been fun,im goin for a jog.

[rquote=2534798&tid=146047&author=WAYNEEBRUM]anyway its been fun,im goin for a jog.[/rquote]:hug: Night, see you tomorrow.

[rquote=2534794&tid=146047&author=GypsyGoth]I did call said g/f a wannabe and fame hungry, I still think she is.

The fact that he thinks of her and regrets dumping her on tv, doesn't make me change my opinion of her. It just illustrates his capacity to think of others.[/rquote]

But again, you're changing the goalposts. One rule for Siavash, another for the rest. What about her feelings when he decided to have a fling with Noirin and spoke about their future together on national tv? Why has he suddenly decided, a day before the end to show his remorse when he'll be out the door soon anyway? You'll twist it any old way to put him in a good light.

[rquote=2534800&tid=146047&author=setanta][rquote=2534794&tid=146047&author=GypsyGoth]I did call said g/f a wannabe and fame hungry, I still think she is.

The fact that he thinks of her and regrets dumping her on tv, doesn't make me change my opinion of her. It just illustrates his capacity to think of others.[/rquote]

But again, you're changing the goalposts. One rule for Siavash, another for the rest. What about her feelings when he decided to have a fling with Noirin and spoke about their future together on national tv? Why has he suddenly decided, a day before the end to show his remorse when he'll be out the door soon anyway? You'll twist it any old way to put him in a good light.[/rquote]

You really don't read what anyone says do you?

He's shown remorse numerous times before the past 2 days, both in the DR and to fellow HM's.

He's panicking now more so because it's so near to the end and he's got to go out and face the music.

What's so hard about that to understand exactly?

And also I was one of the first to say it was wrong for him to do what he did with Noirin when it happened.

I do think his ex is milking it, especially based on the fact that she herself has admitted now it was a casual thing, but I never said it was totally okay what he did, quite the opposite.

You say we twist things, but you don't even take in what we say it seems to me, just keep rehashing the same old same old and calling us totally biased.

[rquote=2534802&tid=146047&author=MissKittyFantasti co][rquote=2534800&tid=146047&author=setanta][rquote=2534794&tid=146047&author=GypsyGoth]I did call said g/f a wannabe and fame hungry, I still think she is.

The fact that he thinks of her and regrets dumping her on tv, doesn't make me change my opinion of her. It just illustrates his capacity to think of others.[/rquote]

But again, you're changing the goalposts. One rule for Siavash, another for the rest. What about her feelings when he decided to have a fling with Noirin and spoke about their future together on national tv? Why has he suddenly decided, a day before the end to show his remorse when he'll be out the door soon anyway? You'll twist it any old way to put him in a good light.[/rquote]

You really don't read what anyone says do you?

He's shown remorse numerous times before the past 2 days, both in the DR and to fellow HM's.

He's panicking now more so because it's so near to the end and he's got to go out and face the music.

What's so hard about that to understand exactly?[/rquote]

I'm not talking about his motivations - I'm talking about yours and the hypocrisy of your comments if you compare the ones now from a few days ago. There's no logic or balance in them.

But you're right about one thing.... he's panicking and embarrassed, but not heartbroken and remorseful as some would have us think.

[rquote=2534800&tid=146047&author=setanta]

But again, you're changing the goalposts. One rule for Siavash, another for the rest. What about her feelings when he decided to have a fling with Noirin and spoke about their future together on national tv? Why has he suddenly decided, a day before the end to show his remorse when he'll be out the door soon anyway? You'll twist it any old way to put him in a good light.[/rquote]

If their relationship was real, then yea of course I feel sorry for her, it is a terrible experience to be cheated on.

Yes he was wrong to give into temptation and be with Noirin.

Having siad that, I still like him and want him to win, for me he is the best of them.

He has often spoke of his ex, remember after the magazine task. Also I'm sure we miss soo much not having live feed.

And I don't twist facts to put him in a good light, I'm just trying to get across to you, why I see him in a good light.

But I've already pointed out to you the fact that not all of us have been hypocritical but you still keep telling us we are.

So this is really going nowhere.

Again you are generalising and tarring every Siavash supporter with the same brush.

[rquote=2534808&tid=146047&author=GypsyGoth][rquote=2534800&tid=146047&author=setanta]

But again, you're changing the goalposts. One rule for Siavash, another for the rest. What about her feelings when he decided to have a fling with Noirin and spoke about their future together on national tv? Why has he suddenly decided, a day before the end to show his remorse when he'll be out the door soon anyway? You'll twist it any old way to put him in a good light.[/rquote]

If their relationship was real, thrn yea of course I feel sorry for her, it is a terrible experience to be cheated on.

Yes he was wrong to give into temptation and be with Noirin.

Having siad that, I still like him and want him to win, for me he is the best of them.

He has often spoke of his ex, remember after the magazine task. Also I'm sure we miss soo much not having live feed.

And I don't twist facts to put him in a good light, I'm just trying to get across to you, why I see him in a good light.[/rquote]

But you have changed your opinions of his ex right now becuz he's demanded that of you with his shameless antics in the diary room - you see it all through his eyes. His relationship with this girl was irrelevent to you a day ago and now it's come to the fore again and you've totally changed your stance on the matter. Can't you see the contradiction?

[rquote=2534811&tid=146047&author=MissKittyFantasti co]But I've already pointed out to you the fact that not all of us have been hypocritical but you still keep telling us we are.

So this is really going nowhere.

Again you are generalising and tarring every Siavash supporter with the same brush.[/rquote]

Do you want me to search through your comments and find a few where you dismissed his girlfriend and where you felt sorry for Siavash in how Noirin treated him?

My hand is sore from typing and I'm too tired.

[rquote=2534815&tid=146047&author=setanta][rquote=2534811&tid=146047&author=MissKittyFantasti co]But I've already pointed out to you the fact that not all of us have been hypocritical but you still keep telling us we are.

So this is really going nowhere.

Again you are generalising and tarring every Siavash supporter with the same brush.[/rquote]

Do you want me to search through your comments and find a few where you dismissed his girlfriend and where you felt sorry for Siavash in how Noirin treated him? [/rquote]

I've not denied that I said I felt sorry for him over the Noirin thing, nor have I denied the fact that I've said that I think this Laura girl is milking it, so what would be the point in you doing that when I've already admitted I've said both things?

I have NOT said however that it was perfectly okay what he did, EVER.

Why are you only choosing to see what you want to see when I am proving you wrong every time by not denying anything?

The point is that you've suddenly claimed he's worrying about his ex, an ex that didn't cost you a thought really beforehand, but now that Siavash is acting with remorse you'll choose to defend him over it. It's a contradiction which is further highlighted by your willingness to lambast Noirin over her fling with him and to criticise his ex over her antics. There's no logic to it. You'll accept anything that Siavash says or does, even if it totally refutes your claims from earlier on in the series.

[rquote=2534834&tid=146047&author=setanta]The point is that you've suddenly claimed he's worrying about his ex, an ex that didn't cost you a thought really beforehand, but now that Siavash is acting with remorse you'll choose to defend him over it. It's a contradiction which is further highlighted by your willingness to lambast Noirin over her fling with him and to criticise his ex over her antics. There's no logic to it. You'll accept anything that Siavash says or does, even if it totally refutes your claims from earlier on in the series.[/rquote]

Oh my God. Seriously.

How many times have I now said that

#1 I said right from the start he was wrong to give in to his feelings for Noirin when he was seeing this Laura on the outside.

#2 It's NOT the first time he's shown remorse at all.

#3 I've not denied that I've said this Laura is milking it.

#4 I've not lambasted Noirin. Yes she did lead him on and there's no denying that, but she was single. He wasn't.

Once again you have proved that you don't actually listen to anything anyone says that goes against your way of thinking, same as it was in the thread of last night, funnily enough that was about Siavash as well.

Should have known better than to come in this thread and actually expect a reasonable debate with someone who twists everything that I say. :rolleyes:

I'm starting to think that you just thrive off the attention making these kind of posts brings you.

Nice attack Kitty. Don't come into my threads if you're just going to have pops. And yes, a large majority of you have been hugely hypocritical tonight. One rule for Siavash and his fans, another for others.

[rquote=2534838&tid=146047&author=setanta]Nice attack Kitty. Don't come into my threads if you're just going to have pops. And yes, a large majority of you have been hugely hypocritical tonight. One rule for Siavash and his fans, another for others. [/rquote]

She didnt come in just to have a pop though.

She tried to get her point across and you insisted on twisting everything, true to form...even though again and again she proved that she was not being hypocritical in any form.

Dont make threads if you cant take people having a different opinion to yours. Goes both ways.

Of course it does but it is true that they had dismissed her totally and now that she's back in Siavash's thoughts they choose to readily accept it and his remorse. Compare this to his treatment of her when he was flirting with Noirin and there's a huge gulf in understanding and of their balance of sympathies. It's a contradiction.