[rquote=2551905&tid=147072&author=Shasown]
I can agree entirely with you on that keith however thats not the stance that Ahmedfan had on Saturday morning, according to him Sophie won because she was widely more popular, not because her fans voted more often than any others.[/quote]
I do think she is more popular, based on the crowds, BBLB, facebook, online polls, etc. But of course, they may have voted harder too. I did cite Kenneth's bet as an example.

Yes of course.

I haven't changed opinion. I still think Sophie is more popular, but I still think it's a dodgy system and needs correcting.

[quote]He cites "facts" like Siavash is not liked on facebook and received boos(on facebook?). How can he claim that Siavash is not liked on Facebook?[/rquote]
I said he has less fans on facebook than others. And he has a lot of haters, even check the forums for that. But ultimately, a better system needs to be put in place.

[rquote=2551956&tid=147072&author=VickyJ]
Oh my god...you are one of those people that you are twisting about!

Or you are a liar...whichever, its a bad thing.

You said you voted hundreds of times for lisa and david to stay, and on other evictions also. In fact, every eviction you have said you have voted 100 times or more :bored:[/rquote]
Not every eviction, but yes I have voted tons of times on certain evictions. But that's my point, it's not fair. I am one person, so I shouldN'T get a bigger vote weighting than any other person. It's easily open to manipulation.

Any person can bet plenty of money on someone then just keep ringing. We really don't know the legit number of fans for each HM out there, the voting system is very open to rigging.

That's my point, with this kind of system, it's very easy to manipulation. Just HOW it was manipulated ... is hypothesis.

[rquote=2552571&tid=147072&author=AhmedFan][rquote=2551905&tid=147072&author=Shasown]
I can agree entirely with you on that keith however thats not the stance that Ahmedfan had on Saturday morning, according to him Sophie won because she was widely more popular, not because her fans voted more often than any others.[/quote]
I do think she is more popular, based on the crowds, BBLB, facebook, online polls, etc. But of course, they may have voted harder too. I did cite Kenneth's bet as an example.

Yes of course.

I haven't changed opinion. I still think Sophie is more popular, but I still think it's a dodgy system and needs correcting.

[quote]He cites "facts" like Siavash is not liked on facebook and received boos(on facebook?). How can he claim that Siavash is not liked on Facebook?[/rquote]
I said he has less fans on facebook than others. And he has a lot of haters, even check the forums for that. But ultimately, a better system needs to be put in place.[/rquote]

How can you cite kennys bet as an example, you don't even know they did really place a bet, did he have the face of a man who had just won 50 grand after sophie won?

Endemol and CH4 probably wont change the voting system. Why? Because its a good little earner for them. They dont really care if people vote again and again, if they have doubts over betting scams they can discard block votes at their own discretion, and whats more they wont refund the charges back to the discarded voters.

I was thinking, you see the way KArly had 10000 on Sophie to win 50000, She could easily spend thousands voting to make sure she wins and she would still make a big profit

Not proof, but definitely a possibility. And I do agree that David's placing is suspicious. But then so could the other placings, and the respective %'s. With such a system we'll never know.

You just said that David's placing is weird and that anyone can make bets and then keep re-dialling. So it ain't paranoia ...

David is the most weird placing and % of the 5 based on info we're aware of, but the placings and %'s of the others are still open to manipulation. We'll never really know just HOW MANY fans each of the other 4 have ... it's guesswork. And with such a system, it's very open to manipulation.

We could sit here all day hypothesizing which HM is more popular than the other and which HM recieved the most vote rigging ... but it's all conjecture. But my point, AND, your point ... is that anyone can keep re-dialling. And place bets. So it's a cr*p system!

[rquote=2552613&tid=147072&author=Ahmed01]Not proof, but definitely a possibility. And I do agree that David's placing is suspicious. But then so could the other placings, and the respective %'s. With such a system we'll never know.

You just said that David's placing is weird and that anyone can make bets and then keep re-dialling. So it ain't paranoia ...

David is the most weird placing and % of the 5 based on info we're aware of, but the placings and %'s of the others are still open to manipulation. We'll never really know just HOW MANY fans each of the other 4 have ... it's guesswork. And with such a system, it's very open to manipulation.

We could sit here all day hypothesizing which HM is more popular than the other and which HM recieved the most vote rigging ... but it's all conjecture. But my point, AND, your point ... is that anyone can keep re-dialling. And place bets. So it's a cr*p system![/rquote]

Very reliable sources rumoured that David was 5th from around the night of Tuesday-afternoon of Thursday. It is clear that he picked up tons of votes on the Thursday HL show when the show was mostly about him (his birthday and his task).

And meanwhile Siavash was getting bad edits all that week especially on the Thursday, but people stull votes, but looking at the weighted % David looked close to become 2nd and that IMO was down to the last 3 HL shows as they all painted David in a good light and Siavash in a bad light but Siavash still managed to stay strong at 2nd.

As stated by Davina in Charlie's interview, I think his tantrum about not being the stylist annoyed viewers, it wasnt a very good day for him.

But Roddy is the one Im shocked at, he came 5th but I dont know why.

[rquote=2552644&tid=147072&author=*mazedsalv**]
Very reliable sources rumoured that David was 5th from around the night of Tuesday-afternoon of Thursday. It is clear that he picked up tons of votes on the Thursday HL show when the show was mostly about him (his birthday and his task).

And meanwhile Siavash was getting bad edits all that week especially on the Thursday, but people stull votes, but looking at the weighted % David looked close to become 2nd and that IMO was down to the last 3 HL shows as they all painted David in a good light and Siavash in a bad light but Siavash still managed to stay strong at 2nd.

As stated by Davina in Charlie's interview, I think his tantrum about not being the stylist annoyed viewers, it wasnt a very good day for him.

But Roddy is the one Im shocked at, he came 5th but I dont know why.[/rquote]
Of course, but the voting system is still garbage. I mean you had hardcore Rachel fanatics on DS voting 100+ times in last year's final, and she ended up scraping a win with 51% in the final vote against Mikey. The likelihood is, she had a much smaller fanbase than Mikey. He probably had more fans and voters in total, but they were less obsessed and didn't congregate and organise big waves of voting on forums.

If it's about public opinion, then everyone's opinion should have equal weighting. Otherwise you could just have a little small group of freaks/fanatics, voting 1000's of times each.

And since voting figures are lower than ever these days, esp with no text voting anymore, it's even more prone to fiddling. HMs aren't getting 4 million votes anymore (like Nadia).

They need to fix this. I mean Rachel's win last year was already proof of an erroneous system abused by multiple voting. Hell, maybe many other evictions/placings were skewed by multiple voting.

I personally believe Roddy had more fans than HMs 2nd to 4th. But they just didn't vote as hard. Ultimately with such a shakey system, we'll never know the true reality of public opinion.