No it should not be legalised.......In fact the taking of any recreational drugs should be criminmalised and dealt with in the most draconian way posible including execusions for repeat offenders.....Drug takers are losers and wasters.........The planet does not need them......

do you like music bananarama ?

Yeah, legalise it.

Yes. Loads of people take it anyway. I know more people who take weed more than alcohol and alcohol can have worse long term effects on the body so yeah, I personally think it should be made legal.

[rquote=2599988&tid=147499&author=bananarama]No it should not be legalised.......In fact the taking of any recreational drugs should be criminmalised and dealt with in the most draconian way posible including execusions for repeat offenders.....Drug takers are losers and wasters.........The planet does not need them......[/rquote]

What a characteristically rational approach.

The funny thing is it'll cut down on violence on the streets too because I've worked in bars for years and seen the damage that people inflict on each other when they're pissed drunk, which you never see when people are after having some scooby snacks. It honestly pacifies people.

[rquote=2600935&tid=147499&author=Shaun][rquote=2599988&tid=147499&author=bananarama]No it should not be legalised.......In fact the taking of any recreational drugs should be criminmalised and dealt with in the most draconian way posible including execusions for repeat offenders.....Drug takers are losers and wasters.........The planet does not need them......[/rquote]

What a characteristically rational approach.[/rquote]

I'd say more like a fascist approach to the problem lol

[rquote=2599988&tid=147499&author=bananarama]No it should not be legalised.......In fact the taking of any recreational drugs should be criminmalised and dealt with in the most draconian way posible including execusions for repeat offenders.....Drug takers are losers and wasters.........The planet does not need them......[/rquote]Im sure alcohol is a kind of recreational drug. Should we punish all drinkers also?

[rquote=2600951&tid=147499&author=VickyJ][rquote=2599988&tid=147499&author=bananarama]No it should not be legalised.......In fact the taking of any recreational drugs should be criminmalised and dealt with in the most draconian way posible including execusions for repeat offenders.....Drug takers are losers and wasters.........The planet does not need them......[/rquote]Im sure alcohol is a kind of recreational drug. Should we punish all drinkers also?[/rquote]


No VJ
Drinks are Legal.


Stinking Junkies are Illegal.



Life In The City.

Since it's medicinal uses are being sold by pharmacies and otherwise it's just a sedative in cannabis or baked...

God No.

It's only popular now due to terrorism and the masses of imports and slave trade in this country due to hydro-ponics being such an easy route to fund criminal activity.

If you make it legal it will just make it easier for crooks to supply it and state it's legal and therefore funding criminal activity.

The be all and end of it is, it's a quicker buzz than Alcohol, therefore less (unless you're addictive and it's really hit your system) is required to get a high - therefore if it's legal then it will be exploited to the high heavens.

The medicinal use that is related to pain is as a sedative - i.e. it sedates you and one can only wonder what quality of life somebody has when they're sedated.

Other than that - there is a huge time bomb in terms of mental health problems and psychological dependency related to Cannabis... some of the recent studies are shocking and the rise in number of Schizophrenics due to Cannabis. Numerous research saying we're sitting on a mental illness time bomb due to the uptake of Cannabis by Teenagers in the past 10 years.

Far too much naivety related to this drug - partly because everybody in this country knows that if the **** hit the fan then the NHS will care for you.

[rquote=2600939&tid=147499&author=setanta]The funny thing is it'll cut down on violence on the streets too because I've worked in bars for years and seen the damage that people inflict on each other when they're p****d drunk, which you never see when people are after having some scooby snacks. It honestly pacifies people. [/rquote]

The funny thing is, the rise in use has been due to hydroponics which allows quick growth and quick sale. Mainly used by criminal gangs, bringing in labour from overseas into a slave trade.

The hydroponic based Cannabis (usually skunk and other derivatives with high THC content) has been regularly found in a lot of the extreme violent crimes around the country lately as well. Due to Cannabis remaining in the system for a long time, pro-cannabis camps say you can't state whether the Skunk/Cannabis was the cause of the crime or not - either way, it was a user.

[rquote=2569791&tid=147499&author=SurferJay]I cant believe so many people are saying no.. I think people associate weed with harder drug's and assume it must be adddictive and worse than cigarettes.

I think the best argement so far has been about its effect on the economy but even still if its introduced correctly I dont see it having that bad of an effect. As for health problems: http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/cann...vs_alcohol.cfm
[/rquote]

LOL That's hilarious. Don't take that drug - Take THIS Drug!!! :laugh2::laugh2::laugh2:

I disagree with a lot of what is said there. How about the suicides from people having mental health problems from Cannabis and the rise in Schizophrenic admissions from Cannabis? Don't they count - or just what Pro-Cannabis camps choose and the studies they choose to show?

[rquote=2601035&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2600939&tid=147499&author=setanta]The funny thing is it'll cut down on violence on the streets too because I've worked in bars for years and seen the damage that people inflict on each other when they're p****d drunk, which you never see when people are after having some scooby snacks. It honestly pacifies people. [/rquote]

The funny thing is, the rise in use has been due to hydroponics which allows quick growth and quick sale. Mainly used by criminal gangs, bringing in labour from overseas into a slave trade.

The hydroponic based Cannabis (usually skunk and other derivatives with high THC content) has been regularly found in a lot of the extreme violent crimes around the country lately as well. Due to Cannabis remaining in the system for a long time, pro-cannabis camps say you can't state whether the Skunk/Cannabis was the cause of the crime or not - either way, it was a user.[/rquote]

Yes, exactly.... criminal.... legalise it and the threat disappears with regard to criminal/gang related activity and forced labour. As for cannabis being involved in theft and violent crime - nah, not with you cuz you have no stats to back it up with and you're trying to find a scapegoat for crime. I could throw out alcholol and domestic abuse at you right now. I'd say that the statistics would prove that alcohol, as well as heroin or cocaine would be involved in far more cases of violent crime. Sure that's basically a certainty.

Its easy to get hold of anyways, people get away with it, so they might as well legalise it now.

Loads of my friends smoke weed, I dont though, I dont do drugs or smoke... quite proud of me!:hugesmile: I do drink though, but didnt know that weed was less dangerous than alcohol.

[rquote=2601084&tid=147499&author=*mazedsalv**]Its easy to get hold of anyways, people get away with it, so they might as well legalise it now.

Loads of my friends smoke weed, I dont though, I dont do drugs or smoke... quite proud of me!:hugesmile: I do drink though, but didnt know that weed was less dangerous than alcohol.[/rquote]


No it will Not be Legal
On London TV News 2 Junkies had been robbing
rich women around London half killing them.

They both got Life.
Justice .

[rquote=2601081&tid=147499&author=setanta][rquote=2601035&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2600939&tid=147499&author=setanta]The funny thing is it'll cut down on violence on the streets too because I've worked in bars for years and seen the damage that people inflict on each other when they're p****d drunk, which you never see when people are after having some scooby snacks. It honestly pacifies people. [/rquote]

The funny thing is, the rise in use has been due to hydroponics which allows quick growth and quick sale. Mainly used by criminal gangs, bringing in labour from overseas into a slave trade.

The hydroponic based Cannabis (usually skunk and other derivatives with high THC content) has been regularly found in a lot of the extreme violent crimes around the country lately as well. Due to Cannabis remaining in the system for a long time, pro-cannabis camps say you can't state whether the Skunk/Cannabis was the cause of the crime or not - either way, it was a user.[/rquote]

Yes, exactly.... criminal.... legalise it and the threat disappears with regard to criminal/gang related activity and forced labour. As for cannabis being involved in theft and violent crime - nah, not with you cuz you have no stats to back it up with and you're trying to find a scapegoat for crime. I could throw out alcholol and domestic abuse at you right now. I'd say that the statistics would prove that alcohol, as well as heroin or cocaine would be involved in far more cases of violent crime. Sure that's basically a certainty.[/rquote]

But you can't remove criminal activity by legalising it. It will just make it easier for them then and it will encourage more people to do it because legally it is allowed and therefore it will make it easier to make avenues towards it. Therefore making it easier for terrorists to ship cannabis to the uk. A large proportion of our cannabis from overseas comes from Afghanistan and the middle east funding war torn countries.

Then in this country it nourishes sex trade and money is then transported over seas to nourish terrorist activity in other countries.

This is the power of drugs. The naivety is from people who haven't got a clue and think it's just a "Good time" drug where people sit around listening to cheesy pop music having a good time. It's exploiting people who haven't got the cojones to get a life and need drugs and people in the underworld know we've got a lot of those in this country.

I am not trying to find a scapegoat for crime. If reports are around that state that a lot of people involved in violent crime were under the influence of skunk then that is available. You cannot deny that - you cannot say "oh, it's a fallacy". This is the utterly ridiculous view of the pro-cannabis camp that what they say is fine and true but anything against cannabis is a lie, a conspiracy, propoganda. Laughable.

How can you say Heroin is involved in more violent crime? Are you high? Cannabis is the leading most widely used drug and now easier to cultivate and easier to spread and provide as well. So considering this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...ce-677574.html

http://www.druglibrary.org/Schaffer/..._and_crime.htm

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...als/article.do

http://ncpic.org.au/ncpic/publicatio...and-aggression

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/j...TRY=1&SRETRY=0

And you can search google and find tonnes of information regarding this including studies and publications from all over the world - it is not something you can say "nah man, it just chills you out man, Marley took it man, he was all about peace man - yeah yeah" snore.

Funny, one of those articles proved my point that alcohol and cocaine are more responsible for violent crime and theft than weed. And it states that the fact weed is illegal makes some people resort to illegal acts. I'm telling you, if they legalise it it wont destroy the fabric of society like you're going on about.

"In short, the Committee has learned that cannabis is not a cause of violence or crime except in rare cases, and of course excluding driving while under the influence, which will be dealt with in Chapter 8."

[rquote=2601183&tid=147499&author=setanta]Funny, one of those articles proved my point that alcohol and cocaine are more responsible for violent crime and theft than weed. And it states that the fact weed is illegal makes some people resort to illegal acts. I'm telling you, if they legalise it it wont destroy the fabric of society like you're going on about.

"In short, the Committee has learned that cannabis is not a cause of violence or crime except in rare cases, and of course excluding driving while under the influence, which will be dealt with in Chapter 8."[/rquote]

What I love about your post is it's exactly like what I said in the previous post about pro-cannabis that you'll read some things, put your own spin on it and then say "ooh, look, we're right and the Government and everybody is wrong".

It doesn't work like that and it never has. You can't just pick a couple of quotes, spin it around, completely out of context might I add and then say "yeah man, I'm right... see..."

Well I don't see.

This is the Full! quote:



Crimes against property, not violent crime. Obviously, due to the prevalence of Alcohol all over the place then it will have a massive chunk of violent crime. But if you don't take it out of context and you include everything I have posted you will see clear and alarming views that Cannabis is related to violent crime.

You can't bluntly then say it will lower crime if it is legalised. It will increase crime because it is prevalent and as I have said it will make it easier for criminals to get away with crime and encourage their activities without being found it. In summary, it will make life easier for them because they have the law on their side.

The committee you spoke of there are a pro-cannabis group who basically (probably while puffing on a joint) said it doesn't relate to violent crime.

Seriously, search the net and then tell me with a straight face that it isn't related to violent crime.

Yes, 3% to 6%, far behind alcohol (a legal drug!) and cocaine.

as much as id love for it to be legalised
it wont...ever

[rquote=2601218&tid=147499&author=setanta]Yes, 3% to 6%, far behind alcohol (a legal drug!) and cocaine.

[/rquote]

Are you on the wind up?

That's crimes against property, not violent crimes... seriously. Read it. This is the second time I'm telling you, the third time you've had a chance to look at it.

Yes, and alcohol is the most common substance found in violent crimes. Aren't you reading it?

[rquote=2601228&tid=147499&author=setanta]Yes, and alcohol is the most common substance found in violent crimes. Aren't you reading it?[/rquote]

Of course I am (I've already replied to this) but like I have already said it and should be utterly obvious, Alcohol would easily be the leader due to it being "LEGAL" (operative word here - important) and Cannabis not being so.

I have also offered you numerous articles and asked you to search the net to find more. You are continuing to ignore this as well.

What do you expect from a pro-cannabis site? Nothing more than Alcohol is bad, reasons why Cannabis isn't so legalise it?

How pathetic. Such a circular argument it's laughable.

[rquote=2601243&tid=147499&author=MassiveTruck][rquote=2601228&tid=147499&author=setanta]Yes, and alcohol is the most common substance found in violent crimes. Aren't you reading it?[/rquote]

Of course I am but like I have already said it and should be utterly obvious, Alcohol would easily be the leader due to it being "LEGAL" (operative word here - important) and Cannabis not being so.

I have also offered you numerous articles and asked you to search the net to find more. You are continuing to ignore this as well.

What do you expect from a pro-cannabis site? Nothing more than Alcohol is bad, reasons why Cannabis isn't so legalise it?

How pathetic. Such a circular argument it's laughable.[/rquote]

No it's not laughable actually. What's laughable is your attempt to vilify cannabis when it's been around for thousands of years and has been used by many civilisations throughout time. You're on a witch-hunt here when all evidence points to the fact that other drugs are inherently more dangerous and yet you continue to validate your argument by saying that obviously alcohol is involved with more violent crimes because it's taken more regularly as it's LEGAL. There's no logic in that statement when you consider everything else you've suggested in this thread.

Actually that line about alcohol is very interesting when you consider the damage Prohibition caused in the United States all those years ago. By making something illegal you attract the wrong type of characters..... has nothing to do with the drug itself.... it's in the nature of certain people to go beyond the laws of a society and involve themselves in crime. I can't believe you're still arguing about Cannabis being at the heart of so much violence and crime when all stats point the other way and suggests that there's other drugs that are far more culpable.

I'm all for legalising it because as far as I'm concerned it will eliminate that shady element from the drug and it will give people more freedom of choice, rather than being at the mercy of what the government feels is right. They get it wrong sometimes mate. If someone wants to smoke it, and by doing so they don't encroach on my freedoms or liberty, and they've been made aware of the health issues involved -just like tobacco or alcohol- then by all means do what you want with your own recreational time. Cannabis is a naturally grown plant .... people have used it for centuries.

Don't see any point in legalising it..

As loads of people would take it, and its not good for your head.
Enough people take it anyway.