Yeah, what Remy said.

Also, I agree with Stu and Jack. Most of the time it's pretty hard to keep up with the pace of the BH, and the Den is growing pretty damn quickly as well.

How about we have all the chat threads we like but we rebrand them?

Really it's just this knighthood **** and the hierarchy elements that irks me, I couldn't give a monkeys about the rest.

I agree with Brad. I'd love to talk and get to know the members of the Brotherhood, but as I share nothing in common with them, I feel I can't go in there because I have nothing to talk about and would feel a little out of place.

But most people see this as a joke, in fact, everyone who is "in" the BH knows this is an on-going joke we have, it's only the people who don't know about it who get irked as you say. If it is kept inside the Brotherhood thread itself, surely that is ok?

If it's kept in the thread then I for one don't have a problem with it. But it's not with some members, and that's where the problem for me lies.

Then surely an agreement could be made within the BH that what happens inside the BH stays in there? I think that is feasable.

Rebranding then? All in favour of that?

That's fine with me :)

What do you mean by that? As in, the Brotherhood loses the list on the front page and the userbars?

In that case, I think the userbars should be completely abolished (only about 3 people still have the BH userbar anyway) and the list should be taken less seriously? That seems to be a reasonable compromise.

Yeah, just keep it in there.

And seeing as it's a chat thread, theres no need for such a group element. You don't get someone who chats in the den deifining themselves as 'Hi my name is ___ and I'm a denner'.

I think David and I agreed to scrap the list, I think it will be ok with some others members too. As for userbars, only Ben and Luva are still using it so it's no big deal.

Yeah, I know what you mean but that is still all part of the "fun" of the BH, but yeah, if it stays in the thread then I see no problem with it. That is what makes the Brotherhood different from the Den.

I think getting rid of the memberlist and keeping the Brotherhood terms to its own thread is the best way forward.

That way, both The Den and The Brotherhood are open chat threads and any member can come in and chat at any time they want. That seem fair?

Yeah, it's up to Andy really, if he wants to make any changes then he can go ahead and do it because he's the only one who can edit his post on the front page (besides the mods and admins).

But the BH is already opened to people, where the hell did people got the idea it wasn't ? What a joke lmao
You even said it yourself Jack, you don't want to post here because you have nothing to say to us but no one from the BH did prevent from posting here.

But the thing is, that seems all well and good until a member that the BH generally don't like - Twilight, for example, then there is a problem. If Twilight wants to start using her "ilysfm" bullshit then she will hardly be welcomed into the thread with open arms will she? If people make it that open, loads of people will just starting irritating the members of the BH and that won't work.

What I want to know is why is the Den considered a problem? I chat in the Den alot but I'm not a member of the Den, If I'm not into the conversation there I move somewhere else!

The Den is about as much of a problem as the Brotherhood, virtually none.

how is the den a problem?

I understand that it's already open to people. But as lili has said earlier in the day, other people may not have seen your posts and may not understand that. By getting rid of the memberlist it automatically seems open.

Then we'd just have to hope that people won't be as immature as that and won't deliberately go out of their way to cause trouble. If they do, then you just report their posts.

I don't think the Den is a problem, but The Brotherhood is being slated for being a clique and arguments always happening in/around it- and The Den is also responsible for the latter. It was only last night or the night before there was a big argument with Courtney in there. And I think it's being looked upon as a clique because it's pretty much the same people that post in there 24/7, but I don't think it's clique.

But yeah, if we delete the list from the front page and keep all the 'knight' talk in one thread then we're all ok, yeah?

Well, I can only speak for myself David, I represent myself not the Den and people are going to be in cliques no matter which Threads are opened or closed so in that respect I agree with you, closing the BH is pretty pointless.

I hope Lili sees this post. I'm sure she'll agree with these terms.

I said no because a) I don't personally think it would work, we'd get each other's nerves and the BH would end up flocking to the Sports section and the Zeta to the music section whilst the neutral newbies stay and b) that's precisely the purpose of The Den and look what's happened there. I like this idea on paper but I don't think it will make much difference. TBH I'm past caring about this whole BH/Zeta thing, I'd rather just distance myself entirely from it now.

As far as I can see The Den has only turned into a BH rival because of the post count.