I thiink Stephen Baldwin made that point Jords ;)

Thanks for your great input about this topic..

Your'e welcome! Nothing like a dose of the truth! :hugesmile:

Several species of Australopithecus have been identified, based on variations in skulls and teeth.
It is still uncertain whether these early hominids are the precursors of fully modern humans, or represent a separate evolutionary line.

i think you`ll find i posted above that.... twice aswell :spin:

Very interesting, thanks Niamh! Yepp Im swaying more to us being evolved from apes then.

It does seem like the more logical answer. My 9 year old daughter asked her teacher, If God created the world in 7 days how come the dinasaurs were there millions of years before humans? She answered "Oh, they were a mistake!" This is one of the many reasons I can't take religion seriously!

There's no swaying involved here; it's just the logical conclusion to reach when you consider that genetic mutations and natural selection occur all the time.

A very good question asked by your daughter! :hugesmile:

Hmm yeah, I think religion is just to give people hope, to make people believe they are special by saying a 'God' created them, because in the Bible there is nothing about Dinos, yet we have proof of their existence.

I like the idea of a God, and although I dont think a God created humans, I think something (God?), must have set off the whole creation of the universe and Earth and whats on it. Therefore we can still be evolved from apes, but there is an existance of a God figure.

Australopithecines
Australopithecus afarensis
Australopithecus africanus
Australopithecus anamensis
Australopithecus boisei
Australopithecus robustus

yeah, I think the same Jordy I think if I had to label myself in this respect, I'd say I was an agnostic,

It was my husband actually told her to ask the question, My daughter is very religious, I want her to have a mind of her own, I hate the thought of her being brain washed!!

If agnostic is something similar to what I said, I guess Im one too Niamh! :)

Ah yeah, religion can brain wash people, but she should be fine if you keep an eye on her about it. :) Ive never been very religious myself.

Here's the dictionary definition Jordy :

Main Entry: 1ag·nos·tic
Pronunciation: \ag-ˈnäs-tik, əg-\
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek agnōstos unknown, unknowable, from a- + gnōstos known, from gignōskein to know — more at know
Date: 1869
1 : a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2 : a person unwilling to commit to an opinion about something <political agnostics>

Yepp that sounds pretty me Niamh, cheers! I know what I can say I am now. :laugh:

It's more likely then someone waving a magic wand and creating everything in seven days, Although I like to believe in both evolution and a higher power.

Like the force?

Could be, who knows? I just like to believe there's something more for comfort, I don't believe in anything specific.

The question "if we evolved from apes, why are apes still around?" shows a complete misunderstanding of evolution. Humans, Gorillas and Chimpanzees share a distant common ancestor. We all just branched off and evolved in slightly different directions.

http://www.evogeneao.com/tree.html - awesome diagram of the Tree of Life.

I think some creationists - who usually spout that silly question - just resent the fact that we share ancestry with other apes. Not because evolution provides us with a better explanation than some God making woman out of Adam's rib, but because it would mean: God - who according to the biblical creation myth created us in His image - would look similar to this:

http://politicalpartypooper.files.wo...bush-chimp.jpg

If anyone is interested, a few great websites on evolution:

http://www.talkorigins.org/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/index.html
http://evolution.berkeley.edu/
http://www.becominghuman.org/

Still many unkowns about our body, mind, world and the vast cosmos.. Truely epic, but science will help us to understand and know why things are and the truth behind the magic and myth.

The more logical approach that you should have taken from that answer was that the teacher was uninformed or was too lazy to answer fully.

Genesis is not a scientific recipe book for making worlds and universes, a quick read through is all you need to establish that. Sadly few people bother to do so.

as long as we do not think that answers we have now are the truth, they are just answers we have now to the best of our limited ability.

in 200 years people will scoff at our "science"

It is scientific fact that we do evolve from apes - so don't really know why we are debating the question!

we came from dinosaurs

raaaaarrrr!! imma get you

it is not. we have very few fossil records and certainly nothing to base the word "fact" on I am afraid. The sum total of fossils used to make a case for ape to man evolution could fit into a space the size of a coffin.

Dr. David Pilbeam (a distinguished professor of anthropology) suggested the following:

Perhaps generations of students of human evolution, including myself, have been flailing about in the dark; that our data base is too sparse, too slippery, for it to be able to mold our theories. Rather the theories are more statements about us and ideology than about the past. Paleoanthropology reveals more about how humans view themselves than it does about how humans came about. But that is heresy.

So LeatherTrumpet, what do you believe exactly? That we're connected in no way to primates and haven't evolved in any shape or form through time?

http://listverse.com/2009/01/05/top-...in-modern-man/