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Crimson Dynamo 15-01-2010 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2874830)
explain to me what they are then...

my question first please

InOne 15-01-2010 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2874837)
my question first please

Remember the Atheist 10 commandments thread? There.

Crimson Dynamo 15-01-2010 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2874842)
Remember the Atheist 10 commandments thread? There.

that's not your values that is something you found on google. lol

Wildcat! 15-01-2010 01:35 PM

See the thing is, if I immigrate in some country, its not the religions that I worry about. I want to adhere to the values of the society. And since religion is so divided in here, thats not the thing I would focus on. I think thats silly. And ironically, it mirrors extremists.

I think we can talk about values nowadays, without bringing religion into it.

I f i went to backwards societies, like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, or Israel, and I chose to immigrate there, I would focus mainly on their religious values, because its their law. BUt the thing is I wouldnt choose to emmigrate in a country like that.

InOne 15-01-2010 01:40 PM

Israel is quite divided though really, go to Tel-Aviv it's like being in any city, it's the settlers on the West Bank that cause the problems, those Extreme Orthadox Jews

lily. 15-01-2010 01:48 PM

Just to clarify... would all existing UK residents be forced to adhere to Christianity as well?

Crimson Dynamo 15-01-2010 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by lili (Post 2874864)
Just to clarify... would all existing UK residents be forced to adhere to Christianity as well?

have you not had the forms through?

maybe you are a credit risk

lily. 15-01-2010 01:56 PM

Oh, trust me, I am a credit risk.

bananarama 15-01-2010 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2874828)
where do you get your values from?


(hint, i bet they are Christian):devil:


I get my values from Tesco's. Sometimes two for the price of one......

Crimson Dynamo 15-01-2010 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bananarama (Post 2875215)
I get my values from Tesco's. Sometimes two for the price of one......

oops

you mentioned the T word


:nono:

Skeptic-i 15-01-2010 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2874798)
All new immigrants should accept Britain’s traditional Christian values and be willing to adapt to them.

It really makes me laugh when today's Christians push this line. They seem to forget that Britain's traditional Christian values once denied women rights, denied non-believers the right to stand in Parliament, denied free speech and condemned non-believers and homosexuals to imprisonment and execution, etc.

Every right that both Christians and non-believers take for granted today, hasn't come about through conformity to traditional Christian values - they have come about through non-conformity(the heretics - including non-believers) who fearlessly fought for change.

Christians born today take on those new values that the heretics and non-believers bravely fought for - and assume those values are our countries 'traditional' Christian values; which, in all reality, are not.

Crimson Dynamo 16-01-2010 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic-i (Post 2876046)
It really makes me laugh when today's Christians push this line. They seem to forget that Britain's traditional Christian values once denied women rights, denied non-believers the right to stand in Parliament, denied free speech and condemned non-believers and homosexuals to imprisonment and execution, etc.

Every right that both Christians and non-believers take for granted today, hasn't come about through conformity to traditional Christian values - they have come about through non-conformity(the heretics - including non-believers) who fearlessly fought for change.

Christians born today take on those new values that the heretics and non-believers bravely fought for - and assume those values are our countries 'traditional' Christian values; which, in all reality, are not.

and where in the Bible, in the New Testament, does it say to do any of these things?

If a man kills someone and says he did it because Jesus told him to do so we do not condemn Christianity as a religion for murderers.

http://www.twopaths.com/faq_ChristianValues.htm

Skeptic-i 16-01-2010 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2879133)
and where in the Bible, in the New Testament, does it say to do any of these things?

If a man kills someone and says he did it because Jesus told him to do so we do not condemn Christianity as a religion for murderers.

http://www.twopaths.com/faq_ChristianValues.htm

Wow! Talk about "Christian lite" of the modern (almost inclusive) al le carte variety. Let's ignore the misogamy, the "offence" of blasphemy, the homophobia, the condoning of slavery - and the constant damning of those who disbelieve that persists within scripture.

Hardly "Loving your neighbour" - which, within traditional Christianity, didn't extend to those outside the Christian fold.

Crimson Dynamo 16-01-2010 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic-i (Post 2879871)
Wow! Talk about "Christian lite" of the modern (almost inclusive) al le carte variety. Let's ignore the misogamy, the "offence" of blasphemy, the homophobia, the condoning of slavery - and the constant damning of those who disbelieve that persists within scripture.

Hardly "Loving your neighbour" - which, within traditional Christianity, didn't extend to those outside the Christian fold.

yes you are right, you have uncovered the hideous fact that Christianity is evil, oh those millions of fools...


lol at condoning of slavery, misogamy etc..:joker:

andyman 16-01-2010 05:09 PM

Lets find them witches, me and LT will hunt them down!

Crimson Dynamo 16-01-2010 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by andyman (Post 2880046)
Lets find them witches, me and LT will hunt them down!

they are on itv at lunchtimes

andyman 16-01-2010 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2880092)
they are on itv at lunchtimes

:joker: :joker: So true.

Skeptic-i 16-01-2010 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2879908)
yes you are right, you have uncovered the hideous fact that Christianity is evil, oh those millions of fools...


lol at condoning of slavery, misogamy etc..:joker:

Scripture condones slavery -as did Christians for more than 1500 yrs. The Bible is also misogynistic: generally portraying women negatively - accordingly establishing rules on how women must be treat.

Of course, you may find that funny today - but it wasn't funny those who lived under those conditions. It wasn't funny for who opposed those views - those who risked imprisonment for heresy/blasphemy.

BB_Eye 16-01-2010 11:57 PM

Xenophobia in the church, no surprise there.

kcmik 17-01-2010 03:56 AM

One thing in britain that everyone is priviledged too is that we are all entitled to support what religion we want. Personally, i don't believe in any of it, coz if there was a god, allah, jesus whatever, there would be NO wars, therefore peaceful and safe life for everyone. ONE thing i DONT support is freedom of speech if you dont like the way we live in this country, go back to your own country.......you have no freedom of speech here! That evil man (sorry, i dont know the blurts name) people get put in prison for not paying council tax etc, an you got terrorists like him, preaching in the street what they want to do to us! joke. He is still here, scaving off our taxes.....thats religion??????

ange7 17-01-2010 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 2874600)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...an-values.html

All new immigrants should accept Britain’s traditional Christian values and be willing to adapt to them, according to a prominent clergyman.

He also called for an end to the segregation of Muslims in British cities, which he warned provides a breeding ground for extremists.


This links in with that BNP video of the ghettos in London that many on here pretended to think was good in an attempt at being all 2010.

views?

"This links in with that BNP video"
All I learnt from this post is that leather dude goes to sites that show BNP videos.... what a mother *******ing surprise.
mahahaha

Crimson Dynamo 17-01-2010 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeptic-i (Post 2880431)
Scripture condones slavery -as did Christians for more than 1500 yrs. The Bible is also misogynistic: generally portraying women negatively - accordingly establishing rules on how women must be treat.

Of course, you may find that funny today - but it wasn't funny those who lived under those conditions. It wasn't funny for who opposed those views - those who risked imprisonment for heresy/blasphemy.

slavery in the first century is not the slavery that you are mistakenly getting your knickers in a twist about. Go and google slavery in Christian times.

A women discovered Jesus missing in his tomb. Women play a vital role in the early Church in Acts and throughout the NT - unheard of in these times and for the next 1900 years.

if you wish to make accusations about the Bible use examples from the Bible and not abstract comments. All your accusations are the same old ones that anyone can read on the "skeptic" websites, usually created by single guys, with too much facial hair in their basements in the US.:hugesmile:

Crimson Dynamo 17-01-2010 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ange7 (Post 2882326)
"This links in with that BNP video"
All I learnt from this post is that leather dude goes to sites that show BNP videos.... what a mother *******ing surprise.
mahahaha

it was a link to a thread originally on DS i am afraid, sorry to ruin your conspiracy...:joker:

ange7 17-01-2010 12:45 PM

BNP changed their name to DS? thanks for the head up leather guy. You really are in the know when it comes to this stuff.

Crimson Dynamo 17-01-2010 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ange7 (Post 2882857)
BNP changed their name to DS? thanks for the head up leather guy. You really are in the know when it comes to this stuff.


aha

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early in morning.

either drugs or drink

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