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NettoSuperstar! 21-01-2010 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by setanta (Post 2899276)
I've taught in primary schools and I had to be checked for any record. That's how it works.
Yeh surely in this day and age you would have to do that. Here we also check if they have been questioned by the police for sex crimes etc even if they havent been convicted they still wouldnt be able to work with children (since Ian Huntley). I agree with you, disclosing that info should be on a need to know basis only. I still think there are people that are a real danger that should not be let out into the community just because their sentence is finished, we need to treat sex offenders differently in my opinion

Niamh. 21-01-2010 09:11 AM
Do you remember that case in Ireland James not so long ago, I'm a bit sketchy on all the details but basically this man molested 2 young girls, was found guilty and given a suspended sentence(wtf??) and was back behind the counter of his shop that afternoon. It just makes me angry that this type of crime which to me is as bad as murder doesn't seem to be taken seriously, something, if not a register than something else needs to change so our children are better protected.

King Gizzard 21-01-2010 09:13 AM
http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/edp24...A44%3A50%3A917

use to live near me and was in the year above. ew

Niamh. 21-01-2010 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Nathan (Post 2899291)
http://www.edp24.co.uk/content/edp24...A44%3A50%3A917

use to live near me and was in the year above. ew
eewww, is right!

setanta 21-01-2010 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 2899289)
Do you remember that case in Ireland James not so long ago, I'm a bit sketchy on all the details but basically this man molested 2 young girls, was found guilty and given a suspended sentence(wtf??) and was back behind the counter of his shop that afternoon. It just makes me angry that this type of crime which to me is as bad as murder doesn't seem to be taken seriously, something, if not a register than something else needs to change so our children are better protected.
I don't remember the case but I fully agree with you on your feelings towards it. Unfortunately that's problem with our government and legal system which is a seperate issue to this whole idea of making certain data accessible to the general public. I just think that could lead to very murky waters.

Niamh. 21-01-2010 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by setanta (Post 2899296)
I don't remember the case but I fully agree with you on your feelings towards it. Unfortunately that's problem with our government and legal system which is a seperate issue to this whole idea of making certain data accessible to the general public. I just think that could lead to very murky waters.
Our legel system is a joke that's for sure. I'm all for the return of Chain gangs

NettoSuperstar! 21-01-2010 10:29 AM
And another reason against it, is it would drive them underground, theyd be constantly moving from place to place and it would be hard for the authorities to keep tabs on them, not that they do the best job of that now!

InOne 21-01-2010 01:08 PM
Well they do have a level of risk system in the UK. Sometimes it has worked sometimes it hasn't. The News of The World did 'Name and Shame' thing some years ago - it went horribly wrong. It funny when Britian suddenly takes on the mob mentality and confuses Paedotrition with Paedophile. Naming and shaming would get a mob of thugs out side houses literally buring tourches and grunting. Believe or not some do want help, not alot but some. It is a compulsion, and no matter what list, or what level of risk they are on, they would most likely still do it. I believe they should be put in secure units, and also should be studied to find the early warning signs. Beating the up on some street won't get you anywhere, there is always more going to be born. So it may be to late to save a child or something, but work on saving children of the present and future.

Niamh. 21-01-2010 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2899822)
Well they do have a level of risk system in the UK. Sometimes it has worked sometimes it hasn't. The News of The World did 'Name and Shame' thing some years ago - it went horribly wrong. It funny when Britian suddenly takes on the mob mentality and confuses Paedotrition with Paedophile. Naming and shaming would get a mob of thugs out side houses literally buring tourches and grunting. Believe or not some do want help, not alot but some. It is a compulsion, and no matter what list, or what level of risk they are on, they would most likely still do it. I believe they should be put in secure units, and also should be studied to find the early warning signs. Beating the up on some street won't get you anywhere, there is always more going to be born. So it may be to late to save a child or something, but work on saving children of the present and future.
very good idea Joe.

Tom4784 21-01-2010 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2899822)
Well they do have a level of risk system in the UK. Sometimes it has worked sometimes it hasn't. The News of The World did 'Name and Shame' thing some years ago - it went horribly wrong. It funny when Britian suddenly takes on the mob mentality and confuses Paedotrition with Paedophile. Naming and shaming would get a mob of thugs out side houses literally buring tourches and grunting. Believe or not some do want help, not alot but some. It is a compulsion, and no matter what list, or what level of risk they are on, they would most likely still do it. I believe they should be put in secure units, and also should be studied to find the early warning signs. Beating the up on some street won't get you anywhere, there is always more going to be born. So it may be to late to save a child or something, but work on saving children of the present and future.
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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar! (Post 2899249)
No they should be placed in specialist secure units and only released if they are considered by a large panel of experts to no longer be a danger to children...chemical castration, therapy, lie detectors etc should all be used
I agree with these posts completely. Mob Mentality helps no one.

Biggersister 21-01-2010 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by setanta (Post 2899218)
The beginnings of a police state darlings.... that's what all this named and shamed will eventually lead to.
I think the beginnings of a police state happened long long ago!!!

Biggersister 21-01-2010 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2899822)
It funny when Britian suddenly takes on the mob mentality and confuses Paedotrition with Paedophile.
OK I want to challenge you to think outside the box for a second. What if, just for one moment, that story was fabricated? I mean, its a great story, everyone remembers it...a perfect way to set the tone for how dumb the British public are...and a perfect way to argue against naming and shaming paedophiles...but do you really, deep down inside, believe that such a vast amount of the British public are;

A) Really that illiterate
and
B) Quite so eager to form mobs and take the law into their own hands?

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2899822)
Naming and shaming would get a mob of thugs out side houses literally buring tourches and grunting.
You can imagine how easily the government (who control the mainstream media)..could drip-feed the odd vigilante story into the press...to keep job public thinking this way...but the best thing to do is look around you. Do you, or anybody in the office where you work, suddenly feel like grabbing a pitchfork and burning down the house of the nearest paedophile? If I ask myself the question, the answer is NO, of course not.

The government are constantly trying to manipulate us through the media...and its frustrating when I hear people regurgitating what could just as well be "old wives tales" of the 21st century...the pediatrician story being such a prime example.

Sorry to get all conspiracy theory on you all...but keep an open mind!!

NettoSuperstar! 21-01-2010 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Biggersister (Post 2900134)
OK I want to challenge you to think outside the box for a second. What if, just for one moment, that story was fabricated? I mean, its a great story, everyone remembers it...a perfect way to set the tone for how dumb the British public are...and a perfect way to argue against naming and shaming paedophiles...but do you really, deep down inside, believe that such a vast amount of the British public are;

A) Really that illiterate
and
B) Quite so eager to form mobs and take the law into their own hands?



You can imagine how easily the government (who control the mainstream media)..could drip-feed the odd vigilante story into the press...to keep job public thinking this way...but the best thing to do is look around you. Do you, or anybody in the office where you work, suddenly feel like grabbing a pitchfork and burning down the house of the nearest paedophile? If I ask myself the question, the answer is NO, of course not.

The government are constantly trying to manipulate us through the media...and its frustrating when I hear people regurgitating what could just as well be "old wives tales" of the 21st century...the pediatrician story being such a prime example.

Sorry to get all conspiracy theory on you all...but keep an open mind!!
Balls it was reported in the papers because it happens, you honestly think the papers have some hidden agenda where they dont want us to name and shame paedo's...lol I bet theyre looking forward to it being allowed more like! The Sun ran a campaign in support of naming and shaming!! oooh but was that a front too? lol

InOne 21-01-2010 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Biggersister (Post 2900134)
OK I want to challenge you to think outside the box for a second. What if, just for one moment, that story was fabricated? I mean, its a great story, everyone remembers it...a perfect way to set the tone for how dumb the British public are...and a perfect way to argue against naming and shaming paedophiles...but do you really, deep down inside, believe that such a vast amount of the British public are;

A) Really that illiterate
and
B) Quite so eager to form mobs and take the law into their own hands?



You can imagine how easily the government (who control the mainstream media)..could drip-feed the odd vigilante story into the press...to keep job public thinking this way...but the best thing to do is look around you. Do you, or anybody in the office where you work, suddenly feel like grabbing a pitchfork and burning down the house of the nearest paedophile? If I ask myself the question, the answer is NO, of course not.

The government are constantly trying to manipulate us through the media...and its frustrating when I hear people regurgitating what could just as well be "old wives tales" of the 21st century...the pediatrician story being such a prime example.

Sorry to get all conspiracy theory on you all...but keep an open mind!!
I know what you mean, but i've seen on facebook groups, say like about Peter, the first reaction in violence. Almost everyone on that group wanted an eye for an eye. Also don't forget many people don't really understand paedophilia. But people see themselves as vigalaties alot of the time, especially parents, they would be heros of the village. I'm not saying they'd all get up and do it that instant. It would most likely be planned, and the sickos would show up. It is a very very strong label to put on someone and alot of people are very quick to believe to, and they would quickly turn to violence. And I know the media creates myths but this one did happen. People just to conclusions quick and it can ruin lives. Half the time they would not even be bothered about the kid, mostly the violence.

arista 21-01-2010 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2899822)
Well they do have a level of risk system in the UK. Sometimes it has worked sometimes it hasn't. The News of The World did 'Name and Shame' thing some years ago - it went horribly wrong. It funny when Britian suddenly takes on the mob mentality and confuses Paedotrition with Paedophile. Naming and shaming would get a mob of thugs out side houses literally buring tourches and grunting. Believe or not some do want help, not alot but some. It is a compulsion, and no matter what list, or what level of risk they are on, they would most likely still do it. I believe they should be put in secure units, and also should be studied to find the early warning signs. Beating the up on some street won't get you anywhere, there is always more going to be born. So it may be to late to save a child or something, but work on saving children of the present and future.


'Paedotrition with Paedophile. '

Yes that is why it will not change
Unless the Police go on Strike , of course.

InOne 21-01-2010 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by arista (Post 2900431)
'Paedotrition with Paedophile. '

Yes that is why it will not change
Unless the Police go on Strike , of course.
That is why what will not change?

setanta 21-01-2010 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Biggersister (Post 2900108)
I think the beginnings of a police state happened long long ago!!!
Very true.

arista 21-01-2010 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2900449)
That is why what will not change?
The Current Laws.

InOne 21-01-2010 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by arista (Post 2900570)
The Current Laws.
Ahhhh right. Because they don't trust the public?

Chels 21-01-2010 05:19 PM
yeah, they're vile *****.
'nuff said.

arista 21-01-2010 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 2900591)
Ahhhh right. Because they don't trust the public?


The Public go Wild and are not under the control of a Head Officer.

So Police have to Rule everything.

eye sea 21-01-2010 06:33 PM
YES. They should be named and shamed.

pinkmichk 21-01-2010 07:11 PM
as a mother i am very mixed about this part of me thinks naming and shaming would be good but on other hand there is such a thing as too much info would you really want to know that one lived on your street (esp if a parent) like i say it could be a case of too much info
part of me would want to know but then a equal part would rather continue as i am

Biggersister 22-01-2010 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by pinkmichk (Post 2901085)
as a mother i am very mixed about this part of me thinks naming and shaming would be good but on other hand there is such a thing as too much info would you really want to know that one lived on your street (esp if a parent) like i say it could be a case of too much info
part of me would want to know but then a equal part would rather continue as i am
When it comes to the safety of children and proximity of paedophiles, I am of the opinion that ignorance is not bliss!

bananarama 22-01-2010 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar! (Post 2899249)
No they should be placed in specialist secure units and only released if they are considered by a large panel of experts to no longer be a danger to children...chemical castration, therapy, lie detectors etc should all be used

Excellent and sensible response........The problem with naming and shaming is that there are even sicker people out there that will want to take the law into there own hands......And in some cases make a wrong identity and put in danger or harm an innocent person.......


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