I don't agree. I think the current war in Iraq may not be the biggest of all (I agree with you on that) but it symbolizes something huge: fear since 9/11. Fear of one people in particular. It also symbolizes what this decade and the future ones will be all about. The 2000 years were lived under fearing each other.

So fair enough it's not the biggest war but it definitely has a very strong meaning to what we're in for a few decades.

Yes, I think it is a modern Crusade in a sense. Western nations were never fearful enough and 9/11 and later devastating mass-murders made it very clear that it was time to really do something.
So yes you can say we finally had something tangible to be afraid of and that is radical Islam.
I think we agree (maybe in different angles) but Iraq is really a lot less about 'Iraq' and more about putting Western Military inside Islams own backyard and thereby making that their first priority.

This is really the reason I am fully supporting this action and think it will, ultimately, save more innocent lives.
But,
I tend to agree it is not really whether Iraq was liberated or not.

But its not a big event relatively speaking. Bigger than the actual Crusades which were relatively minor 'scuffles' compared to a hundred other full-on wars in that time.

One thing that just amazes me every time I see this - less than 5000 US troops died after all this time.
Less than 200 UK troops.
That is absolutely amazing and what a testament to the quality and excellence over there.
That is over the entire time including invasion and policing the country for all these years and insurgent battles etc!
Amazingly low number almost defies belief!

Now this I heard from some US soldiers. The first guy told me that he estimated about 8-1 for the good guys.
About 8 insurgents are dead for every one of their they lose,
but,
not long after that another US soldier told me he puts it at closer to 10 or 12 and added 'if not 13' in his estimate.
That is AMAZING.
but if you look at it this way - the idea here is that about 50,000 muslims ballsy enough to pick up a gun and actually try and use it in Jihad are now dead.
Those numbers become even more significant when you think just 19 of them killed 3,000 innocent people on 9/11 inside the US.
but,
even if we just supposed that any 1 jihadist would realistically take out 3 innocent western civilians?
Potentially we are looking at what would be saving the lives of 150,000 innocent lives saved.

Now realistically.. I think it is much much more than that because I would suppose in those 50,000 now-dead Jihadists there was at least a dozen or more who 'would' have pulled off biggies.
Major anthrax bombs or another serious building demolition or a huge nightclub etc.

So yeah.. all in all just an amazing job over there. It also happens this is a huge chance for Iraqis to build a really great new country living freely and ultimately having much better lives.
but that is a little beside the point.

yes

this is why we have religion

Precisely - to cause 99.9% of them!

no you dummy

to avoid them

dont fall for that tired old cliché - look at the reality

I know exactly what you mean't dummy - just replacing a fictional statement with a factual one! No cliche - a reality!

You are way wrong on this one.

It is true there have been a handful of wars 'in the name of...' and Islam has a great big list of those.
There have been some wars 'in the name of Buddha' or some Crusades 'in the name of Jesus',
but.
Almost EVERY WAR has always been about one single thing - land.
Land.
Land and we can say the resources in and on that land.
That is well over 90% of every war that has ever happened in human civilization.
If not its more.. its closer to 99%

Religions (not counting Islam) tend to keep people in check and make them think twice,
but,
It almost always over land.

Its really annoying how many people go around saying 'most wars are over religion' when that is WAY WRONG and just an astonishing ignorance of easy History.

Land and resources, have to agree with that 100%

as always

the masked assasin is correct-a-mundo