Yeah it's becoming a cool thing to do in a lot of scene circles now, purely because most other teens have ditched religious belief, and these twerps will do anything to appear different.
Yeah there are a lot of Christians but how many could really be considered to be Christian? A huge amount of people will just say 'Christian' in surveys but Christianity has no active part of their life and they have an abysmal understanding of the scripture.

You should know this better than anyone.

I'm not saying Christians don't exist or people who don't take religion seriousy - that's absurd - but in most suburbs there seems to be a relaxed, apathetic view to the whole thing. I should know. I live in that kind of house.

My own parents are what I would call 'Christian by default'. There's a lovely little picture of Jesus on the wall at the top of the stairs but apart from that ... ?

To be honest El Proximo, you would have made as fine a piece of living, breathing satire as any if Channel 4 had it in for Christians.

Amen to that :hugesmile: a christian extremist not everyday you see one of them.

Bang-on!

The first time I saw David and these guys on youtube I presumed these were a few would-be comedians taking the piss or even actors making a documentary on Christian gullibility.

This ignores the fact that it was the early Christian thinkers who engaged in science because they felt it was their divine duty to study God's creation as much as the Bible, leading to scientific investigation in the west. (Copernicus was a member of the Catholic church and Kepler the Lutheran church to name but two)

It also ignores the current work carried out by scientists who are comited Christians, one of whom used to be a member of our congregation until he moved to Oban in Scotland.

It also ignores the work of the Vatican Observatory...

Religions are responsible for more War, death, ignorance and suffering than anything anything else mankind has ever known.

Blind faith for sightless people!

i agree totally.

TBH I thought David was dead weight, but if he's legitimately pissing off Christians I say keep him in!

Before throwing stones at David for his newagejunkie interpretation of Christianity, note that all Christians today over/underemphasis certain verses, take different ones literally, see different parts as archaic, or dont read the thing at all. Catholics especially have no business getting defensive with their popes, saints, and other arbitrary rules. As far as I'm concerned, David's group emphasizes the happy parts and omits the cruel, and I'm ultimately more OK with that situation than the inverse.

Even though I think all religion is rubbish. And not taking the book you claim to be the inherent word of God 100% literally is intellectually dishonest.

/rant

You could not be more wrong and so far off the mark. Not even close!
Not even close!

Almost EVERY war in human history is over the same thing - land.
Land and the resources in the land.
It is nearly EVERY WAR in the history of mankind.

Who do you think you are just making up totally false history like that and then trying to convince people of such a thing?
Oh that is nice of you. I bet you go around telling people you are fair to minorities and don't believe in hating different groups,
yet,
you are delighted to see this group get shamed and pissed on. Really good!

No, David's group emphasizes being high out of their minds, being in completely bewildered useless mental states, being so zoned out they can't drive or help their children and being so drunk they embarrass themselves as well as family and friends.

I don't see how David "getting high on Jesus" is any different than pentecostals speaking in tongues, or being zoned for months is any different than being a priest who sits in the same building reading the same book their entire life without raising a family or making other friends in the first place. I just don't see how you can be so judgmental when it comes this variation of Christianity when there are already so many wacky versions out there.

The random ad hominem about minorities and taking everything SUPER. PERSONALLY. is not necessary. I think him pissing off Christians is interesting because anyone pissing off the audience is interesting, especially from a religious angle, because reality tv never goes there.

btw: christians aren't a minority in the first place. You're the largest religion in the world..it's time to get over the persecution complex.

yeah! Agreed

Well then you are now dumber than before. You agreed with something that is blatantly and obviously not true and is actually very very well documented throughout world history.


Priest's don't sit in the same building reading the same books their entire lives without making friends,
but,
that you cannot 'see the difference' between that and someone using psychosomatic autosuggestion to become a stupefied, blithering, drunken incoherent babbling moron?
Then maybe you have something wrong with you here. Like an inability to discern massive differences between things in life.
Come on now?

wow just wow a religious nut pursuing another religious nut around the internet for years on end and then having the nerve to call other people that have already worked out that religion is bullshit incapable.
you couldnt script this its fucking gold pure gold i cant wait to show these screencaps to people.
i know devout christians that will hate this nobber never mind anyone else :hugesmile::hugesmile::hugesmile::hugesmile:

Nice :whistle:

have a read of this, http://justsaynotoreligion.com/religious-wars/ :blush: Its all about religious wars :dance:

Shhhhhh.... stop interupting. Just 'shushhhhh'.
thx

haha your gimp mask is very fitting everybody can see my post just 2 above yours,
you arent doing Christianity any favours eek its a bit cringe worthy probably best you quit while you are behind.

the classic straw man hath emerged :joker:

Yes I did read it.
DID YOU?
What in that article changes anything here?
Explain?

Since you don't know what you are doing or why let me just assure you that any historian can tell you 90% of wars in human history are over land.
Really its more.

The major deaths during war

WW1

WW2

(and note these are World Wars)

were about land


Most wars in history have been about land, many have used religious overtones to justify invasion but they are about and always will be about land.

perhaps someone could indicate what bits of the main religions justify and encourage war?

Basically almost all wars in the history of human civilization have been over land and the resources in the land.
Safely say 95% +

Now people will point to things like the wars 'in the name of Buddha'.
Ok.
It is true that warlords did go to conquer the 'pagan lands' under the 'flag' of Buddhism.
Realistically, everyone who does the research can very quickly be aware that was not really why they were stomping the region.
It was good old 'land' again.

It is true that Islam had massive holy wars and today there are thousands of people a month being killed in the name of Islam. Mainly Muslims Jihadists killing other Muslims.

I suppose none of this has anything to do with Channel 4 picking David because they believe he will shame Christianity,
but,
It really is beyond annoying when people don't grasp the most basic things in history.
I'm not a PHD Historian and just an 'amateur history keener' but you don't even need to be that to find this out.
It should be something we all knew in 4th form and even earlier - nearly every war in human history was over land.

I'd also point out there is no such religion called 'Religion' where 'Religionites' go to 'Religion Churches' and practice religionism.
Saying 'Religion is responsible for xyz' is about as meaningful as saying 'goverment is responsible for xyz'.
Which government?
Nazis?
Roman Senates?
North Korean Peoples Party?
King Edward?

For the record - Atheistic Ideologies hold the record for the largest mass murderers in the history of human civilization. Just recently a guy named Stalin mass-murdered the most human beings EVER.
*Some say Mao (another Atheist warlord) murdered more than Stalin.

If you combine them - Atheist Rulers running atheistic regimes with atheistic ideologies (Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc) just recently mass murdered a significant portion of the human population on Earth.

and not to mention all the good in the world that has been a direct result of religion - this is happening now and happens every day, unlike wars. For Christianity it has been happening for the last 2000 years

that is quite long!

I once thought I'd try and count up all the Christian aid and relief and human rights orgs and even just the ones specifically related to victims of war.
Its nearly impossible.
There are so many Christian orgs and denominations doing so many things it becomes practically 'uncountable',
but,
It is nothing short of millions of Christians and billions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of hours of work, volunteering, travel, building, medicine, counseling,.... It is epic!

One problem I ran into when trying to tally up a list is that Christians seem to follow this teaching of not boasting their works so they don't often have easily available publicized or detailed accounts of their works.
Also so many of them.
I got to something like 80 different denominations with aid programs to war-torn african nations like Liberia but couldn't keep finding enough independent Christian orgs (not affiliated with denominations) and then private Christian groups (so to describe it) and then 'all-denomination' type of Christian charities etc etc
Its MASSIVE.

How's your campaign coming along?

Nice to see you supporting it.