cause they are the chosen ones simple as.
they have edit it to make both look great

I don't get how he was the only one punished?

They all lost the lux budget and they all lost the hot water?

could you elaborate please?

If he's doing it all on purpose then yeah, but I don't think he's doing it on purpose, I just think he's led a very naive sheltered life.

Wasn't he called into the diary room and told that he was responsible for the HM's not having hot water? The others werent.

Thats his trick though I guess, to come across as the likable fumbling toff while back biting and betraying whoever it takes to move further into the competition.

No one who is machiavellian in nature, as he is, shows their scheming side.

I have never said I want him out, there are others that need to go first, but the man is a snake for sure.

In his words; "Those that need to be savaged will be savaged"

thats because he talked about noms again after the first punishment... he was solely to blame for that.

he lost them all their hot water and then had the cowardice to ask "Do I have to tell the others it was me?"

Yes, and so did Sunshine and JJ.

No, not at this time they didnt. This was later.

He was punished alone because he was alone responsible.

Did he talk about nominations to himself? He talked to Sunshine and JJ didnt he?

Love the Frank Sidebottom avatar god rest his soul!...Guess we'll have to wait for everyone else to catch up on this one...and yer I want Dave or Mario to go but they wont

You can't punish other people for what he said to them, only if they participate.

Ben said all the offending stuff.

lol Indeed, the zeitgeist is against us right now for sure :P

People will wake up though (but they will then claim they always got it ofc).

and yeah, Frank... such a shame. :(

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

I disagree, Sunshine bought up the subject and JJ contributed a couple of comments too. All three were involved in a conversation about nominations. It doesn't matter that Ben did most of the talking.

Trolling again Arse? I thought you was still QQing from the last exchange? Good to have you back!

Ben was the only one in the conversation (after) to say who he had and hadnt nominated

Indeed.

And yeh "Those who deserve to be savaged will be savaged"...sheltered life... niaeve?? I dont bloody think so...this is an intelligent well travelled experienced young man, he knows exactly what hes doing

shh, don't look at the evidence.. you will upset the natives!

I feel this is a waist of time but....

BB could turn the water off at anytime (and have done so historically). It is an insignificant point. In this instance, the fact that everyone knows that it is his fault about the water compounds his punishment much more.

My 4 year old understands this.

This seems to change from series to series and sometimes is inconsistent within a series.

When Roberto and Derek discussed nominations in BB6, they discussed it with a third person (Craig, I think) and all three were punished, but as I recall all Craig did was nod his head a couple of times. Do you guys think that only people who directly talk about nominations should be punished? Personally, I think anybody involved in a conversation about nominations should be punished even if they only make a couple of comments. After 11 series the HM's should know better.

Ben did talk about nominations yes, but only in order to defend himself, i would have done the same, it all started because of Shabby as per usual, she always seems to be involved in everything that happens funnily enough!

What you say is irrelevant though... the water was turned off because of Ben. Thats the point and nothing you say counters that.

I don't get what you are struggling with tbh... It just seems Ben's defenders are just running out of defenses.

Maybe you should get your 4 year old to post next time.

god your so lost my child:joker:

always with the justifications for his intentional fuk ups on his part...

I'm no fan of hers particularly, but the blind Shabby hate/ Ben love on this board is just irrational.