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Hope-x 28-07-2010 08:14 AM
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Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3567651)
In other words - people who agree with you - not one for debate then! :sleep:
That is definately not what I meant. I just mean, if your already convinced you LOVE john james, or HATE him, then what you have to say is completely useless! I wanted to hear from people who usually get beaten down when they suggest a new idea.

LKSmith2 28-07-2010 10:01 AM
Anybody else think he isn't psychologically fit for the house? It just seems that being enclosed in the same space really gets to him at times.

Shiner 28-07-2010 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by LKSmith2 (Post 3568218)
Anybody else think he isn't psychologically fit for the house? It just seems that being enclosed in the same space really gets to him at times.
I don''t blame him, Josie's been mucking about with his head for weeks.

Livia 28-07-2010 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 3567279)
He is bascially emotionally immature and lost independence, confidence and developed low self esteem due to his dads death. He basically see's Josie as a mother figue. She is pushing it and trying to turn it into something sexual, which it really isn't. Also JJ's Dad used to get jealous of the relationship between JJ and his mum, now think on that... ;)
Not so much Big Brother as Oedipus Rex.

I think you summed it up quite nicely there InOne.

ibook4113 28-07-2010 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LKSmith2 (Post 3568218)
Anybody else think he isn't psychologically fit for the house? It just seems that being enclosed in the same space really gets to him at times.
I agree but i think quite alot of people would feel this way. It is a place that looks very easy but really it is very challenging. In particular i think it is his paranoia that makes it difficult for him in there.

LKSmith2 28-07-2010 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Shiner (Post 3568239)
I don''t blame him, Josie's been mucking about with his head for weeks.
Exactly. There are similarities with Freddie and Bea last year. When people mess with your head in that house, there is no escape. I don't think I would be able to spend months in that house anyway!

Niamh. 28-07-2010 10:15 AM
hhhhhmmmmmmmmm, I'm really not sure tbh. He is very hard to figure out and this is why I enjoy watching him. I find him so interesting. And for that reason he's my favourite HM, it's a TV show after all and he intrigues me and is keeping me interested in the show. If I had to choose right now, I would say that he is confused and un sure of what his feelings for Josie are.


Great thread btw!

ibook4113 28-07-2010 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by LKSmith2 (Post 3568270)
Exactly. There are similarities with Freddie and Bea last year. When people mess with your head in that house, there is no escape. I don't think I would be able to spend months in that house anyway!
Yeh, that is an interesting comparison. Because Bea was quite a game player and she definitely lead Freddie one, who really seemed to genuinely like her. It is a shame i detested Freddie because i would have felt sorry for him otherwise.

I am under the impression you mean Bea is Josie and Freddie is John James?

walter 28-07-2010 10:37 AM
I think its NOT a game plan. Josie fancys him a lot. He really really likes her as a friend.

The issue is the way josie goes about things when he upsets her. She says everythings fine and walks off. He NEEDS to talk about it and get it sorted. otherwise it makes him go insane and he panics she may be put off him. He is very insecure. It's not his fault it just how he is. Needs reassuring all the time and him going out of the fire exit was to get attention from housemates and to stop him and make him feel better. It was for the housemates NOT the public. However when he was talking to the producers who were telling him to go back in and was crying, i believe that bit was real again.

All josie needs to do is talk to him and sort the problem out when there is one. She plays him though as she LOVES him groveling for forgiveness hence why she gets in moods with him. Then makes him feel loved. She is in total control.

Shiner 28-07-2010 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3568271)
hhhhhmmmmmmmmm, I'm really not sure tbh. He is very hard to figure out and this is why I enjoy watching him. I find him so interesting. And for that reason he's my favourite HM, it's a TV show after all and he intrigues me and is keeping me interested in the show. If I had to choose right now, I would say that he is confused and un sure of what his feelings for Josie are.

Great thread btw!
I agree. The conflict in his mind is between what he actually feels about her and what he has been repeatedly badgered into feeling over the last few weeks about her. Even militarily trained guys have a breaking point when they are put under such repeated coercion, just imagine what state his pea-brain is in.

Hope-x 28-07-2010 10:54 AM
ah, but now another twist, what about him saying that he 'feels the same way' to josie and was 'denying it' ? and the kiss?!

LKSmith2 28-07-2010 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by ibook4113 (Post 3568350)
Yeh, that is an interesting comparison. Because Bea was quite a game player and she definitely lead Freddie one, who really seemed to genuinely like her. It is a shame i detested Freddie because i would have felt sorry for him otherwise.

I am under the impression you mean Bea is Josie and Freddie is John James?
Yeah just the way that they are bothing playing with there heads a bit. Both Freddie and JJ look as if they suffer from some form of paranoia. In an enclosed enviroment where you literally can't get away from it that can only enhance the situation.

Niamh. 28-07-2010 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Hope-x (Post 3568471)
ah, but now another twist, what about him saying that he 'feels the same way' to josie and was 'denying it' ? and the kiss?!
again a tough one, is he so fed up of her punishing him for not reciprocating her feelings that he's decided his life would be easier to just give in, or did he genuinely not want to start something in there in case it's just the house environment playing tricks with his emotions and head?????

I'm going to watch how he is behaving with her, his body language and stuff before I make a call on that one! What do you think?

charmingmissc 28-07-2010 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3568492)
again a tough one, is he so fed up of her punishing him for not reciprocating her feelings that he's decided his life would be easier to just give in, or did he genuinely not want to start something in there in case it's just the house environment playing tricks with his emotions and head?????

I'm going to watch how he is behaving with her, his body language and stuff before I make a call on that one! What do you think?
this is what i have been doing.

so that i can make up my own mind.

Shiner 28-07-2010 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Hope-x (Post 3568471)
ah, but now another twist, what about him saying that he 'feels the same way' to josie and was 'denying it' ? and the kiss?!
Coercion.

Hope-x 28-07-2010 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3568492)
again a tough one, is he so fed up of her punishing him for not reciprocating her feelings that he's decided his life would be easier to just give in, or did he genuinely not want to start something in there in case it's just the house environment playing tricks with his emotions and head?????

I'm going to watch how he is behaving with her, his body language and stuff before I make a call on that one! What do you think?
I'm not sure she has been punishing him, has she? I don't think he would think that, he is strong, although emotional. He wouldn't give up or be beaten down even by her. He loves her.. I think.. lol I will also watch more body language stuff, he is so interesting and complicated. I think i'd be gutted if he left on friday :S I'd like to continue to try and work him out!

Niamh. 28-07-2010 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Hope-x (Post 3568546)
I'm not sure she has been punishing him, has she? I don't think he would think that, he is strong, although emotional. He wouldn't give up or be beaten down even by her. He loves her.. I think.. lol I will also watch more body language stuff, he is so interesting and complicated. I think i'd be gutted if he left on friday :S I'd like to continue to try and work him out!
well, If you remember on 2 occasions now he's almost walked because Josie wasn't happy with him over something so this is what I mean by punishing him. He obviously does take it very hard when she is annoyed with him. I do hope that he has feelings for her but I'm trying to be objective and not let the romantic notions blind my judgement!!

Julesuk 28-07-2010 11:12 AM
I am so glad I am not the only one who watches him to try and work him out - some on this forum think you are an obsessed little girl when you comment positively about John, I am actually a 50 year old grandmother and I love BB this year because of him but not because of his looks etc etc because I like to try and analyze the housemates and he is definitely one of the most intriguing for a long time, I also get annoyed when people say its playing to the cameras and staged - he becomes so distraught at times I really cant help but feel for him, I really hope he comes through this show ok and manages to build on his self esteem from it.

Hope-x 28-07-2010 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Niamhxo (Post 3568573)
well, If you remember on 2 occasions now he's almost walked because Josie wasn't happy with him over something so this is what I mean by punishing him. He obviously does take it very hard when she is annoyed with him. I do hope that he has feelings for her but I'm trying to be objective and not let the romantic notions blind my judgement!!
No, me too! But I just cant believe that someone would be like that if they didnt love them, its too much..

Julesuk 28-07-2010 11:29 AM
My other reasoning is that if he went into the house for the experience he travelled a long way to be there unless he really has fallen for Josie he would have distanced himself he has sort of put all his eggs in one basket and isolated himself with her for quite a lot of the time - I think he hasnt had feelings like this before and is battling with them in his own head maybe he should really have a long chat to JJ or one of BB - maybe he has in the diary room because he certainly seems to have accepted the fact that Josie and him are more than friends.

Niamh. 28-07-2010 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Hope-x (Post 3568607)
No, me too! But I just cant believe that someone would be like that if they didnt love them, its too much..
Well I don't think the fact that he loves her is in question really, he obviously really does, the question is, is it platonic or romantic???

InOne 28-07-2010 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 3568257)
Not so much Big Brother as Oedipus Rex.

I think you summed it up quite nicely there InOne.
Why thank you :D

BJ 28-07-2010 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by the-gaffer (Post 3566375)
Possibly B

Although I think he could have just accidently gotten so close to her that he has dug himself into a hole he can't get out of and thinks far to much of her to hurt her in anyway shape or form
This is absolutely what I think. I think he actually fancies Corin but his chance with her has gone.

JEJ 28-07-2010 12:14 PM
I think Josie is like JJ's comfort blanket, he doesn't feel he can really identify with anybody else in there, he ventures out now and again to interact with others and then runs back to a 'safe' place (ie substitute mum Josie's arms) afterwards. I agree we might have seen a very different JJ1 if JJ2 had been in from the start (though I think JJ2 is a plant, do any of them remember him from the time they spent together before the show?)

I was hoping that when he got out of bed to check on Keeva he'd realised how much Josie manipulates everyone but I don't think he has. I believe he genuinely would have left the house if they hadn't stopped him, the thought of being in there without his comfort blanket was just too much for him.

BJ 28-07-2010 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Julesuk (Post 3567631)
Yeah at last a sensible post about John James. I have been trying to analyze him as well but if you put anything positive on here you just get a barrage of John haters. I think he is very insecure, I think in the real world he probably would have run all his feelings by his mother, and is struggling with them, I think he is not experienced when it comes to woman and think that because josie is not your sterio typical woman he is attracted to her. He was talking quite openly about sex at the beginning of BB and this seems to be an area that he may not have much experience in and if he does truly have feelings for josie he may be worried about how he comes across. I dont think he is leading her on but is worried about what people on the outside may think about how he is handling the situation. He certainly has issues and imagine at some point in his life has been seriously let down hence the trust issue. He is an only child, his father unexpectantly dying he is probably very very close to his mother - it may all relate to this. I dont think he is gay but I do think if JJ was in at the beginning we would have seen a different side to John, I wonder if he initally clung to josie because of his paranoia.
I also think if JJ had been there from the start the thing with Josie wouldn't have happened


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