oh ffs Ben is no angel, he's a bigger bitch than anyone else in that house and he's equally as nasty if not more so to John James

Yes, and Ben has been making little jibes at people the whole time. The Passive aggressive example this series came from Mario (when he stared at Ben) and it is not something JJ has done. Yes, he went to far with Sunshine, but he told her what would happen if she insulted him again (he obviously felt insulted by her) so he followed through with what he said. How can someone who constantly expects everythng to be done for them be funny. He no sence of team spirit, he complains about everyone (and has complained about everyone in the house). Just because he is calm doesn't mean he is kind. Some of the things he has said recently have been very insulting (particularly his comments about Josie, and then later Mario). Humility? Now this is something that can be debating for a LONG time. Humility can be good, but it seems to me Ben is using it. A behaviouralist (From BBLB yesterday) said that Ben has low emotional lability meaning he understands his emotions. So when he has been annoyed, when he has been upset, when he has been angry (and i think has been these in the house) he hides them away. He uses his "selflessness" to make himself come across better, otherwise his insults wouldn't be 'i love you, but really i hate you' and 'i like everyone even for their faults' - he doesn't need to say this, he is using it as advertising to show him as a 'nice' person.

That isnt how I heard it they were going to do something with tooth brushes because they would think it was done by the people coming into the house reference task etc and they were talking about doing it to everyone and they were larking around saying that all the housemates would see the funny side of it, except Ben. Which was actually far more exciting and interesting to watch than those sitting in the lounge trying to remember where Jo used to live and how many chickens Dave had. Mmmmm of course Ben doesnt speak about anyone in the house - what was the comment the other day about Josie and what she wears (which was not Bens place to make a comment about her size) and also calling them pig and piglet - thats why John probably said about Ben getting angry I would have got pretty hacked off if someone had said something like that about someone I cared about. Make comments about what John said if you want but PLEASE dont make out Ben is some kind of Saint.

*gives a round of applause*

No one has said Ben is a Saint,it just annoys me slightly that crabeyes etc can say anything about the housemates and it's ok but if Ben says anything he's 'bitching' double standards,now you tell me why is it ok for crabby to do it?

I never said it was ok for anyone to do it, but lets get real here everyone bitches at some point so I don't think any one is evil for doing it!

I am 100% sure she would make a beeline for him within hours. That would be very interesting! :dance:

agreed!!

Ben complains about people who he sees have been unfair to him,and why shouldn't he?He is hardly going to take everything thrown at him,but he has been handling the jibes and selfishness well and have you ever heard the saying "It takes a bigger man to walk away" and a few others have said"I like ben BUT" so that again is not just a Ben things so why is Ben singled out,I know but do you?

Yes, and that is probably why JJ has just recently complained about him, because Ben won't stop complaining. Ever. Is that jibes and selfishness towards him? I mean mario is selfish and has been making jibes as Ben, but Ben is by far the most selfish. It does take a bigger man to walk away, Ben hasn't ever walked away. But Ben does the 'i love them but i hate them' ALL the time, it is the basis if the conversations he has with people. But if we are talking about one person i can't help but single out. Yes everyone Bitches but i still think Ben is the worst with it.