All this Dave hate. Its a shame more people didnt ignore the biassed edit last week and get rid of him instead of Ben. I wonder who he's going to shaft next week?

Passive smoking kills too. That's not peoples choice who have to live with the stench of tobacco knowing that they will be breathing that poison in too. I dont blame him one bit.
Looking at the state of the house in general I bet the whole place smells horrific too.

It dosn't matter how many they order,BB always gives in and give them some when they run out.

Good point. :thumbs:

I just love your pussy!

Haha cheers. My pussy has it's eye on you. :joker:

He is supposed to be a christian so surely he should ask them to cease if he finds it offensive.

Of course he wouldnt think that some of the things he does could be found to be offensive to others, the drunk on the lord etc.

The smoking area is outside in the garden. Being able to smell the burnt tobacco from someones clothes isnt passive smoking.

You know that garden they have? Yep, that's outdoors, and the house is indoors.

The thing is for the smokers the BB house is probably NOT the best place to give up. If they decide to quit, they should wait til after the show and all it's trials & tribulations.

Surely, Dave can understand this as a former/reformed druggie?

although I know ex-smokers are the "Worst"

Maybe if you weren't so busy being a personal freedom fascist you'd have more time to work on your spelling! :hugesmile:

Do you know that he hasn't?

He's a human man not a saint. All humans have flaws, even you I suspect. The "Christian" argument is so lame. He's a guy with a checkered past who is taking what he thinks is a positive direction in his life to get him away from the damaging stuff he used to do. It may be wacky to you and I but a little understanding doesn't cost much. Would you be as critical if a Muslim HM had to interrupt tasks etc. in order to pray at set times of the day? To him it is no different.


Nope but it can make you feel sick if you are a ex-smoker.

My apologies. When you come up with a cure for dyslexia be sure to let me know.

BTW which bit did I get wrong? I'm tired and can't see it.

He's pretty offensive himself at times .. I'd 'Glory' him around the head and shoulders if he said it near me!

:D That's funny as hell... although I hesitate to tell you as you obviously find laughter offencive. :p

Right back at you, do you know that he has?

No I have no flaws. The Christian argument in this case isnt lame, it is his life, his offense and defence mechanism. He is the one spouting the glory

Yes, I would be as critical, I am an equal opportunity hater, race religion colour or creed doesnt matter to me.


So can people trying to decide how others should live their lives while in his presence.

Nope but then that's not the point - it was your suggestion not mine.


:conf:


Then constructive debate is useless to you. Bye.


I guess they just get on with it the same as they have the last couple of months really. :shrugs:

To be fair though, they are only allowed to smoke at the carousel. he doesn't have to sit there whilst they are smoking does he.

sam changed the six to a one,

he rubbed off, the curl of the six.

So it's SAM.

Naughty boy. VERRRY sly.

wonder if Dave will cop the blame from the HMs ike he did from us lot!?

I thought the little joker looked guilty but so did Dave to be honest.

:whistle:There could be trouble ahead:whistle:

Yup I fully understand that and agree that it is the best compromise given the situation and I wouldn't suggest otherwise (as some with an ill conceived "freedom at all costs" agenda would have you believe) but I'll guarantee that you will be able to smell it anywhere in the garden while someone is smoking. Also the smell of stale smoke sticks to a smoker like you wouldn't believe it permeates their clothes, hair, skin and obviously hangs on their breath. As an example of how strong the smell is, when she was pregnant my g/f used to get sick if our neighbours had a fag in their own house. Smokers are probably unaware that while in your car it is possible to smell them smoking in their car in traffic somewhere ahead even if they have their windows up. But what can you do about it when someones smoke affects you indirectly? Nothing because it is their right to smoke, you just have to hope it goes away quickly. Imagine how boring that gets?

To give a bit of background about my stronger feelings on the subject, a couple of years ago my Grannie was administered a lethal injection in her sleep at home by the doctor because she was suffering from a smoking related disease which made it pretty impossible for her to breath unassisted. She didn't want to die but a decision was made by the medical staff that it was less cruel to end her life then than let her suffer any longer (she had been fighting for breath for close to 2 years - imagine that).
I held her hand and stroked her hair as the life slipped away from her.

If I were to play a prank, as we suggested Dave might have done (before all the information came out) and hid fags or whatever, at the forefront of my mind would be that I was helping save their life a wee bit (What is it they say? Every fag is 3 minutes off your life?) more than any sense of causing them to be ratty through lack of nicotine - which incidentally every smoker goes through at some point - it may be that they just ran out of fags and need to nip out to the 24hr garage or they might be quitting or something. It's hardly the end of the world.

When I smoked, I refused to understand just how invasive my bad habit was on others but now I see both sides of the coin and feel pretty stupid about how I inflicted it on non-smokers and worst of all children. Sadly it is a conclusion you can only reach as an ex-smoker.



Phew that got all a bit serious for a forum where the majority of posts rarely rise above "My HM is better than yours" "No they aren't, yours is fake" "Bovahd". :D

Right then, Dave, what a loon eh? :joker: