Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 3687588)

Mario was just as much involved!

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 3687771)

I do accept that there are people that would defend Dave, whatever happened. I am not one of them. I am just tired of the sick things that have been said about him, and more particularly, about his family. These things have been said by people who have probably never picked up a Bible. And yet, a lot of them quote Googled verses and commandments that just end up making them look shallow and ignorant.

Dave may have crossed a line. However, who are we to say what that line is? All religions have aspects that "cross the line". Something that seems to throw the Anti-Dave Lobby into a particular frenzy is the healing thing. I'm not saying I particularly agree with it but I don't think it is a malicious act. Lourdes is a place of pilgrimage and MASSIVE money-spinner for the Catholics and thousands of people come away from there every year feeling like it's done them some good. I don't see that as evil, or as preying on the sick.

I wasn't really directing the "witch hunt" term at you even though I was answering your post. Although I don't always agree with what you say, you do think about what you're saying and can discuss intelligently whatever point's being made. Not everyone does.

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker (Post 3687847)

Hey housemate, what's your problem? Dave hasn't broken any laws or hurt anyone. Your avatar and sig is probably a copyrighted image, so therefore you have broken the law by using it, you've crossed the line, omg, CRIMINALLLLLLLLL!!!. Obviously that's ridiculous but please, pretty please, wind your neck in.

Originally Posted by Peter Plunker (Post 3687847)

Hey housemate, what's your problem? Dave hasn't broken any laws or hurt anyone. Your avatar and sig is probably a copyrighted image, so therefore you have broken the law by using it, you've crossed the line, omg, CRIMINALLLLLLLLL!!!. Obviously that's ridiculous but please, pretty please, wind your neck in.

Originally Posted by housemate (Post 3687944)

'...discuss intelligently whatever point's being made. Not everyone does.'

True, this can be said about both camps though..
one of Daves fans recently told me (after several graphic obscenities) that he hopes I die Young .. another seemed to enjoy, what she must have considered to be 'enjoyable banter' which only resulted in killing any form of debate or learning about the issues raised in the thread, .. so frustrating!
I'm sure you have similar stories directed at you from the 'other' camp.
It doesn't alter the fact that Dave seems to be excused any and every wrong, my earlier post was directed more at his 'antics' etc.. within the house .. not the furore surrounding his 'real' life outside those walls.
I think that there are only two Dave fans/friends to date who are willing to be polite in response to my posts .. I've yet to hear any of 'them' call Dave out on anything though.

Originally Posted by housemate (Post 3688083)

"I still think the overreaction to Dave has been excessive.
We can agree to differ. Because we're grown ups. "

I respect what you say and even agree with you to a (small) degree re Dave.
I also still think that admitting that (any) HM deserves criticism where earned is a valid point too .. this 'rule' just doesn't seem to apply to Dave.
I'm not in any 'camp' per se either, I form my own opinions and have commended Dave when I thought he was in the right about a particular thing.

Originally Posted by psychtracker (Post 3688136)

Sorry to but in - but, the reality is, there's a bunch of Dave haters who will use any excuse to have a dig at him. If he does a prank with Sam, then they'll bash him, but if he'd not done a prank and reacted like Steve, the same posse would of bashed him for being a bore - killjoy. Dave can do NO right in these these people's eyes, and the sad reality, as has been posted on numerous occasions is that - it is because he is religious. He can not do anything right because he is religious.

Originally Posted by psychtracker (Post 3688136)

Sorry to but in - but, the reality is, there's a bunch of Dave haters who will use any excuse to have a dig at him. If he does a prank with Sam, then they'll bash him, but if he'd not done a prank and reacted like Steve, the same posse would of bashed him for being a bore - killjoy. Dave can do NO right in these these people's eyes, and the sad reality, as has been posted on numerous occasions is that - it is because he is religious. He can not do anything right because he is religious.

Originally Posted by housemate (Post 3688083)

"I still think the overreaction to Dave has been excessive.
We can agree to differ. Because we're grown ups. "

I respect what you say and even agree with you to a (small) degree re Dave.
I also still think that admitting that (any) HM deserves criticism where earned is a valid point too .. this 'rule' just doesn't seem to apply to Dave.
I'm not in any 'camp' per se either, I form my own opinions and have commended Dave when I thought he was in the right about a particular thing.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 3688291)

I'm sorry, but you cant say that Dave is being exempt from criticism on here. On the contrary, it seems to me that people seek every oppurtunity to insult him, and the furor surrounding most of his actions is excessive to say the least. Take the hunting thing, he's not really doing anything wrong, he's commiting to crime, yet the thread title read "Dave is a murderer", what a load of sensationalist crap.

I'm not saying this applies to you but there seems to be a hwole campaign going on to turn him into a public hate figure. Videos being posted daily, threads cropping up calling him a "liar", "murderer" etc. some of the things that have been said about him have been out of order if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Chuckyegg (Post 3688403)

Well i diskile Dave enormously but I think even I would be driven to do something similar at this point in the story. Not with food though. I fkng hate people throwing food about.

Originally Posted by housemate (Post 3687765)

http://bb-cache.channel4.com/bigbrot...mayhem/play.c4

Hilarious ... !!
BTW Mario didn't throw the food around he was 'only' involved with the grease proof paper 'jinx' ... and no, I'm not sticking up for Mario (who I don't like either) or Sam, they are both idiots too.
Dave is however a Father and Minister .. presumably this alone should compel him to be a tad less infantile.

Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 3688291)

I'm sorry, but you cant say that Dave is being exempt from criticism on here. On the contrary, it seems to me that people seek every oppurtunity to insult him, and the furor surrounding most of his actions is excessive to say the least. Take the hunting thing, he's not really doing anything wrong, he's commiting to crime, yet the thread title read "Dave is a murderer", what a load of sensationalist crap.

I'm not saying this applies to you but there seems to be a hwole campaign going on to turn him into a public hate figure. Videos being posted daily, threads cropping up calling him a "liar", "murderer" etc. some of the things that have been said about him have been out of order if you ask me.

Originally Posted by kimstar (Post 3688409)

its just fun...GOSH! You guys r boringgg

Originally Posted by housemate (Post 3688382)

My point was that he is exempt from any wrong doing at all from his fans/friends ... I agree (see above posts) that many posts and threads have been cruel and unfair .. this is so for all HMs, not just Dave .... all I'm asking is that when Dave is wrong, he shouldn't be blindly supported ... this though has been, and continues to be, the trend .. to date.

Originally Posted by WOMBAI (Post 3688442)

Very true! Because people don't understand the passionate and bizarre way he practices his beliefs - people ridicule him and try to suggest he is either a nutter or a conman! People fear what they don't understand or the unfamiliar - which says more about them than him!

They harp on about how he needs investigating with absolutely no evidence to validate such comments. The wheelchair video, in particular, had people accusing him of all sorts, putting words in his mouth, whilst being completely unable to produce any evidence to back up their wild allegations!

Friends of Dave have explained why the wheelchair was used - quite logical, feasible explanations - but people conveniently ignore them - because they are simply biased against the man because of his religious beliefs!

I like Dave, I find him easy-going, friendly, funny and entertaining. I don't care about how he practices his religious beliefs - unless it is proved that he has been dishonest in his practice!

People need to lighten up - and take him for the funny man he is - and stop looking for reasons to hate him - because they find him rather odd!

Originally Posted by housemate (Post 3688234)

Hi,
thats right, I have seen that but I've also seen that applied to other HMs, Dave isn't singled out solely because of his religion

Originally Posted by housemate (Post 3688234)

However he choose to enter as a Minister which was immediately going to put him under greater scrutiny (he didn't realise that?)..

Originally Posted by housemate (Post 3688234)

he overtly reads the Gospels every day, this also serves to portray him as a man of convictions etc.. etc .. when he is then seen to contradict the image/label he has created ... he is naturally going to be subject to derision and labelled a hypocrite.

Originally Posted by housemate (Post 3688234)

I'm disgusted with some of the comments which have been made about all HMs ... just take a look at Josies 'log' .... it sinks way beneath decency no matter how disliked she is ... or Corin ... infact any of them, not just Dave.