Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 3968311)

Well, there's no way of proving it one way or another I suppose, so there's no point arguing about it.

I admit that what she's doing isn't new to English music as she said it was although I do think it's new to the X Factor. As far as I can remember there hasn't been any act on there before who can combine rapping and singing, other than maybe Miss Frank.

I'd say there's been a few with an (alleged) bad attitude; Nicolo, Aidan, Matt, even One Direction have come across as quite arrogant to me. Katie wasnt arrogant at all.

Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 3968330)

Again though, I don't think Cher when she mentions 'her type of music' is referring specifically to the XFactor. I do truly think she thinks she has invented something utterly unheard of

Originally Posted by babycakes (Post 3968347)

Snarl Doggy Dog, LL Cher Bomb, Lil Offkey Lloyd. The fun you can have with a Rap Name Generator :joker::joker::joker:

Originally Posted by zotler. (Post 3968366)

I have no idea what this is about, just doing a favour for the 666 phobics out there. :x

Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 3968369)

LOL. I noticed when you hit 666 and thought... oh oh. !!:devil:

Originally Posted by zotler. (Post 3968372)

I don't even watch X Factor, it was just the first none 'Chat and Games' thread I saw, haha! I'll leave the thread now, sorry for taking away from the topic. :blush:

Originally Posted by zotler. (Post 3968402)

Oh man, I don't believe we've met. I'm Zoe, and you, you are extremely awesome.

However, while I'm here I may as well give my opinion of Cher! From what I've seen (or rather, heard), she's a dreadful vocalist. This is why I don't watch X Factor. :D

Originally Posted by Truth Teller (Post 3968406)

I think the problems for Cher after last night are the following:

1) Dannii is a judge, whether she liked what she said or not, it is her view and she has to respect that and behave accordingly on the show.

2) Cher's most popular performance to date is Stay. She was happy to sing it when she was in the bottom two and not rap - hmm - hypocrisy. Last night was about doing 2 contrasting performances not two of the same.

3) Her age is not an excuse - we have had other contestants who have been younger or a similar age who haven't shown such disrespect/lack of manners. She has developed the wrong attitude.

4) Her delusion that she is going to change English music - rap has been around since the early 80's and the UK since early 90's. There are better and more credible hip hop artists out there in the UK - the idea that she thinks she is somehow special does not reflect well for her.

I hope she apologised to Dannii and was taken to task about her rudeness and learns to think before she speaks.

Patrick likes her as a performer but can see the damage this attitude does to her chances........

Originally Posted by Snowball (Post 3968431)

You truly deserve your Username, Truth Teller. Your post is spot on and very eloquently put. :blush:

Originally Posted by Novo (Post 3968443)

She is the only person on the show that doesn't let the judges **** all over her.. you get the impression she is in control of herself and not Cheryl.. picking her own songs etc.. rightly so as well

Originally Posted by Dasher (Post 3968253)

See that's pathetic.

Every other contestant has their haters but no one goes into the uncalled for depth and vile name calling that you all do for her for no reason.

The way people pick little things about her to make a big deal out of just like you all do with Cheryl.

That's what's Pathetic.

Originally Posted by Truth Teller (Post 3968406)

I think the problems for Cher after last night are the following:

1) Dannii is a judge, whether she liked what she said or not, it is her view and she has to respect that and behave accordingly on the show.

2) Cher's most popular performance to date is Stay. She was happy to sing it when she was in the bottom two and not rap - hmm - hypocrisy. Last night was about doing 2 contrasting performances not two of the same.

3) Her age is not an excuse - we have had other contestants who have been younger or a similar age who haven't shown such disrespect/lack of manners. She has developed the wrong attitude.

4) Her delusion that she is going to change English music - rap has been around since the early 80's and the UK since early 90's. There are better and more credible hip hop artists out there in the UK - the idea that she thinks she is somehow special does not reflect well for her.

I hope she apologised to Dannii and was taken to task about her rudeness and learns to think before she speaks.

Patrick likes her as a performer but can see the damage this attitude does to her chances........

Originally Posted by babycakes (Post 3968521)

I totally agree with all you say, with the exception of the date stamp given to the birth and even general popularity of the genre of rap & hip hop. I would have dated it to the mid 70's but if the spoken word mixed with rhythmic music was the birth of rap then the nod looks like it's being given to The Last Poets, more than 20 years before Cher Lloyd was born. http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/page...timeline1.html
Sorry to be pedantic dear TT, but I am so immersed in black music that I am not only offended by her voice and interpretation, but I need the facts to be correct too LOL xxx

Originally Posted by Novo (Post 3968443)

She is the only person on the show that doesn't let the judges **** all over her.. you get the impression she is in control of herself and not Cheryl.. picking her own songs etc.. rightly so as well

Originally Posted by Marczipan (Post 3968313)

Dannii Minogue speaks the most truth on that show, she is the best judge by far!

Which is funny because she's had the least success out of the whole panel!

Originally Posted by Truth Teller (Post 3968406)

I think the problems for Cher after last night are the following:

1) Dannii is a judge, whether she liked what she said or not, it is her view and she has to respect that and behave accordingly on the show.

2) Cher's most popular performance to date is Stay. She was happy to sing it when she was in the bottom two and not rap - hmm - hypocrisy. Last night was about doing 2 contrasting performances not two of the same.

3) Her age is not an excuse - we have had other contestants who have been younger or a similar age who haven't shown such disrespect/lack of manners. She has developed the wrong attitude.

4) Her delusion that she is going to change English music - rap has been around since the early 80's and the UK since early 90's. There are better and more credible hip hop artists out there in the UK - the idea that she thinks she is somehow special does not reflect well for her.

I hope she apologised to Dannii and was taken to task about her rudeness and learns to think before she speaks.

Patrick likes her as a performer but can see the damage this attitude does to her chances........

Originally Posted by Truth Teller (Post 3968406)

I think the problems for Cher after last night are the following:

1) Dannii is a judge, whether she liked what she said or not, it is her view and she has to respect that and behave accordingly on the show.

2) Cher's most popular performance to date is Stay. She was happy to sing it when she was in the bottom two and not rap - hmm - hypocrisy. Last night was about doing 2 contrasting performances not two of the same.

3) Her age is not an excuse - we have had other contestants who have been younger or a similar age who haven't shown such disrespect/lack of manners. She has developed the wrong attitude.

4) Her delusion that she is going to change English music - rap has been around since the early 80's and the UK since early 90's. There are better and more credible hip hop artists out there in the UK - the idea that she thinks she is somehow special does not reflect well for her.

I hope she apologised to Dannii and was taken to task about her rudeness and learns to think before she speaks.

Patrick likes her as a performer but can see the damage this attitude does to her chances........

Originally Posted by nanaimo (Post 3971870)

Perfection. one of the best and spot on posts i have read on tibb :thumbs:

Originally Posted by GiRTh (Post 3971875)

Excellent post. :thumbs:

I wonder what Tinie Tempah and Dizzee Rascal think about this 'twist' she is going to give English music?