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InOne 28-12-2010 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4022573)
Okay then. So what do you expect the news to currently concentrate on then? The continuing weather, when the next snow fall is expected? It's news. As it is news when all the other murders are reported on.

And Scrooge..... if they are being fickle as you say in reporting on Joanna - are they also being fickle when it is someone elses child, but a child of a younger age, when they are reporting those types of murder?
Didn't see this. I'm afraid they are the worst with Children, and so are people for getting outraged at one thing, and then next time it happens get outraged to the next one who dies horribly. It's a shame but that is how it works. Look up some of the cases.

MTVN 28-12-2010 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4022603)
It clearly has escaped your attention that the 'victim' is not the one who is giving themselves the publicity. It's the relatives and those involved who push the publicity..... if this man doesn't have relatives who want to push in the same way as Joanna's relatives (and friends) do.... it's hardly the media's fault.

They will respond to what is being given the biggest push.

Joanna had been reported missing since 17th December - therefore the media push was not for a murder, but on finding her - that was the news story. Unfortunately they have found her. Dead, therefore the news will expand on the original story.

You'll also note that the person 'murdered' in your link, has not yet been officially identified (according to the link you posted). Joanna's body has been identified.

You'll also note that a 53 year old man has been arrested in connection with the murder. Joanna's death is still under investigation.

Lots of differing factors. Lots of differing reasons & circumstances for a national paper not picking up the story.

As for your comments, "Nobody gives a sh!t about him".... maybe you want to go ask his relatives/family why they haven't contacted the press to see if that will help .... oh wait... the police already have someone they suspect as being responsible. Maybe that's a huge big clue - it's nothing to do with no one giving a damn, but more to do with 'WHO' murdered - which is what the police are focusing on at the moment with Joanna's case.
Yeah, that's true I suppose, I was just trying to make the point that the media will elevate the importance of one particular murder case over another, something I dont like.

InOne 28-12-2010 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4022704)
Yeah, that's true I suppose, I was just trying to make the point that the media will elevate the importance of one particular murder case over another, something I dont like.
Yep, and people are quick enough to forget about them too.

Pyramid* 28-12-2010 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4022698)
Didn't see this. I'm afraid they are the worst with Children, and so are people for getting outraged at one thing, and then next time it happens get outraged to the next one who dies horribly. It's a shame but that is how it works. Look up some of the cases.
I don't have to look up any cases. I think they are quite right to go 'heavy at it' when it comes to children. I do - because we know live in a society whereby there are so many sick bastards out there who do the most appalling things to very young and defenceless children: to their own flesh and blood, who torture,maim, and treat in the most goddawful way, causing untold suffering.

I personally prefer to know what sort of sick bastards are out there, what evil they dished out.. why? Because those responsible for it need to feel just a little what it's like to live in complete and utter fear and terror:- and I hope they live a long life suffering and being terrified of who is going to attack them next, who is goign to harm them next.

I'm in the 'eye for an eye' brigade. None of this 'forgiveness' crap for me, thanks very much. Forgiving doesn't bring back a young child's life - or anyone elses for that matter: but I'm homing in on the young child as that's what your aiming at .

That's it. Rant over.

InOne 28-12-2010 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4022711)
I don't have to look up any cases. I think they are quite right to go 'heavy at it' when it comes to children. I do - because we know live in a society whereby there are so many sick bastards out there who do the most appalling things to very young and defenceless children: to their own flesh and blood, who torture,maim, and treat in the most goddawful way, causing untold suffering.

I personally prefer to know what sort of sick bastards are out there, what evil they dished out.. why? Because those responsible for it need to feel just a little what it's like to live in complete and utter fear and terror:- and I hope they live a long life suffering and being terrified of who is going to attack them next, who is goign to harm them next.

I'm in the 'eye for an eye' brigage. None of this 'forgiveness' crap for me, thanks very much. Forgiving doesn't bring back a young child's life.

That's it. Rant over.
Not being funny but that is a narrow minded way of thinking. And terrible things have always happened since the dawn of man, you make out stuff like this started happening 50 years ago or something :S

And miss 'eye for an eye' would you want a member of your family dead if they did something like that? You sound quite cold to me.

Pyramid* 28-12-2010 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4022715)
Not being funny but that is a narrow minded way of thinking. And terrible things have always happened since the dawn of man, you make out stuff like this started happening 50 years ago or something :S

And miss 'eye for an eye' would you want a member of your family dead if they did something like that? You sound quite cold to me.
Oh I'm being deadly serious. Absolutely. I'm not cold - I'm simply of the mind that a Life for a Life is fair - call it all things being equal.

Seeing as this country doesn't allow the death penalty: I'll make do with those who do inflict such crimes on others, the fear of waking up every day - terrified of what's going to hit them next. If it was a family member: not good, but it wouldn't change my mind. I wouldn't like it but that's the way it goes: not that it would happen seeing that the Death Penalty is illegal here.

I have no problem with that at all and I sleep very well at night.

Where have I 'made out' that these things have not happened from the dawn of time? I didn't - stop making things up.

InOne 28-12-2010 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4022732)
Oh I'm being deadly serious. Absolutely. I'm not cold - I'm simply of the mind that a Life for a Life is fair - call it all things being equal.

Seeing as this country doesn't allow the death penalty: I'll make do with those who do inflict such crimes on others, the fear of waking up every day - terrified of what's going to hit them next. If it was a family member: not good, but it wouldn't change my mind. I wouldn't like it but that's the way it goes: not that it would happen seeing that the Death Penalty is illegal here.

I have no problem with that at all and I sleep very well at night.

Where have I 'made out' that these things have not happened from the dawn of time? I didn't - stop making things up.
You're just one of those typical bull headed type people who don't really think about what they're saying and thinks their opinion is fact. A little nickname for your type is 'foamer'.

Anyway, we're going off topic.

Pyramid* 28-12-2010 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4022765)
You're just one of those typical bull headed type people who don't really think about what they're saying and thinks their opinion is fact. A little nickname for your type is 'foamer'.

Anyway, we're going off topic.
I think I've had plenty of years behind me InOne to determine what I think and don't think before I say anything, had quite sometime behind me to help me come to my own decisions without even 'having to think about it' - and you can take it as 'red' - I mean what I say - no foaming at mouth required - just hard hitting.

Okay... back on topic whereby we agreed to disagree.:blush:

InOne 28-12-2010 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys (Post 4023222)
They should bring back hanging.
No.

InOne 28-12-2010 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys (Post 4023233)
Yes.
Nada.

arista 28-12-2010 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys (Post 4023222)
They should bring back hanging.


What
over this Murder of this 25 year old?

MTVN 28-12-2010 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys (Post 4023222)
They should bring back hanging.
Yes because the correct punishment for killing someone is to umm.. kill someone right?

Pyramid* 28-12-2010 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4023309)
Yes because the correct punishment for killing someone is to umm.. kill someone right?
Clearly it's a matter of very divided opinion and I understand why some are so very much against the death penalty.

but in my book: I grudge every single penny of my hard earned salary - and the division in my tax contributions that keeps these people in prison, being fed, having a roof over their heads, being kept warm, clothed, educated, given access to a range of facilities that many people cannot afford - never needing to worry about paying bills, not having to worry if they have enough money to put food on the table, when there are decent hard working honest people who are out working long hard hours for minimum wages, doing an honest days work, with the worries of the world on their shoulders.

Like I say, I can understand why some feel it's barbaric, - but not in my book.

Angus 28-12-2010 09:12 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4023309)
Yes because the correct punishment for killing someone is to umm.. kill someone right?
So the correct punishment is the life of riley at the tax payers' expense in HM hotel (sorry Prison), where the murderer often gets to serve only half their sentence?:rolleyes: If the crime was truly appalling, for example child rape and murder, the killer can expect to be released with the full integrated support of all the relevant authorities, offered a new home and a new identity and every care taken that his or her human rights are not violated in any way. God forbid that we should be outraged that such scum are allowed these privileges having deprived another human being of their life.:bored:

InOne 28-12-2010 09:14 PM
Oh here we go...

MTVN 28-12-2010 09:23 PM
Well God forbid we treat prisoners as human beings, give them a meal every now and then and stop them being lynched by vigilante idiots once they have served their sentance and paid their debt to society.

MTVN 28-12-2010 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JobsForTheBoys (Post 4023342)
Yes because it stops them doing it again and saves the state money, plus it also frees up valuable prison space.

Any more questions?
It might stop that particular person from killing again but it has been shown that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent. And anyway, who's to say that every murderer will kill again?

And it may be of economic benefit, but hey it would also be economically beneficial to kill old people, doesnt make it right

MTVN 28-12-2010 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4023335)
Oh here we go...
Sorry :laugh:

InOne 28-12-2010 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4023349)
Sorry :laugh:
No not you lol The foamers going on about capital punishments with no valid reasons

MTVN 28-12-2010 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4023359)
No not you lol The foamers going on about capital punishments with no valid reasons
Oh right, thought it was cos I made that first post which pyramid and angus replied to :p

I remember this same debate going on for 20-odd pages or something on another thread

InOne 28-12-2010 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4023361)
Oh right, thought it was cos I made that first post which pyramid and angus replied to :p

I remember this same debate going on for 20-odd pages or something on another thread
Yeah lol I'd just be using the same arguments so can't be bothered getting into it

Pyramid* 28-12-2010 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4023343)
Well God forbid we treat prisoners as human beings, give them a meal every now and then and stop them being lynched by vigilante idiots once they have served their sentance and paid their debt to society.
They lost the right to be classed as human beings when they take another person's life.

Paid their debt to society? How do they pay that debt exactly? By having their every basic need attended to for years in prison? What about the debt of one life that is owed to the family of the person who's life they took away - as well as the untold suffering the family of the victim suffer until they die?

InOne 28-12-2010 09:36 PM
If someone killed a Paedophile cos they raped their daughter, do they deserve to die?

Pyramid* 28-12-2010 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4023359)
No not you lol The foamers going on about capital punishments with no valid reasons
Until you can add something constructive - why don't you give it a rest with your slagging off forum members - or is that as good as your discussion skills go? There are plenty of valid reasons that have been given. Fine if you don't agree, but quit with the sarcastic and very immature personal comments on people who are posting.

MTVN 28-12-2010 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4023369)
They lost the right to be classed as human beings when they take another person's life.

Paid their debt to society? How do they pay that debt exactly? By having their every basic need attended to for years in prison? What about the debt of one life that is owed to the family of the person who's life they took away - as well as the untold suffering the family of the victim suffer until they die?
I dont want to get into a big debate over this but the first line is merely subject to opinion, I disagree myself

And I believe that serving a life sentance is paying your debt to society, I dont think lives should be counted as debts or should be traded. My idea of a justice system is to have a mix of reformation and retribution, but I think if we resort to killing someone then we become no better than those we seek to punish, we simply have different motives


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