Originally Posted by patsylimerick (Post 4027305)

The thread is about Cher, the forum is about X Factor. I'm plenty 'clued up' on both. From the little I've heard, she sounds like an even more pained strangled cat than Cher does. So no, I don't think I'll be exposing my delicate eardrums to any more of that nonsense. Thanks, though.

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4027325)

Awww....are we pulling on the old 'shes had a hard life' sob story as an excuse for not being successful in the States (not that she had any real big success in the UK either for that matter).

A hell of a lot of people have very hard lives, with very troubled, difficult times and much trauma - with or without depression and with or without suicide attempts - Having a sob story doesn't make a person talented - and that includes Sov. Sad? Of course it is. Affected her success - debatable - talent is either there or it isn't. I favour the latter.

However, the thread has digressed a little only on the premise that there was comparison to Sov who Jay Z had signed and had very limited success with - and, from what I read from Patsy's posts, Pasty was offering her thoughts that she felt that Cher signing with Jay Z did not guarantee Cher any success - Sov being used as an example.

Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 4027453)

Who said anything about Sov having a hard life??? Only you it seems. I was just giving you a bit of background on why it all went tits-up for her in the US. So your little rant about others having a hard life is pointless.

Neither did i infer that her sob story made her talented. So not sure what you're on about there.

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4027458)

oh I didn't say she did, I was giving reasons that some people suffer from depression and resort to suicide attempts - and it's a red herring - talent is what matters . Read what is written - I said I'm not falling for any sob stories. I'm not ranting - I'm pointing out the very obvious to you. Sov didn't make it big in the States (or here for that matter) due to a serious lack of talent and nothing to do with her being depressed - which you appear to give consideration to in your comments a few posts down.

And as you said yourself in your last post - this thread is about Cher.

Might be an idea for everyone to stick to that.:thumbs:

Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 4027492)

You don't think depression can affect someones career??? :conf:

Ah ok then. As you were... :xyxwave:

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4027504)

I don't believe it can be used as an excuse for having no talent, without related talent, one can't have a career in the music industry.... that's what I think.

Does Cher have depression? :conf:

Is it affecting her 'career'? :conf:

if not, you seem quite determined to continue off topic despite your acknowledgment on a few posts ago that this thread is about Cher ..... ;)

Originally Posted by MrWong (Post 4027540)

You seem determined to link the depression to having a lack of talent. :conf:

The depression ballsed up her career in the US. IF she was in a better state mentally who knows how well she could have done.

You think she has no talent, Jay Z thought she did. I’d say he’s more clued up than the average bod sat in front of their laptop posting on a forum. :whistle:

God knows why you’re asking if Cher has depression. Still, at least it’s kinda on topic.

Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4027555)

If you want to continue discussing Sov, her lack of career her alleged talent (or lack of in some people's eyes) and her depression - might be an idea to start a new thread.....seeing as you still continue to keep this off topic.

Thread is about Cher.... just stating the obvious. ;)