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Originally Posted by MojoNixon (Post 4045050)

Oh please, check your head

Pardon?

Gun crime in the US is far more of a problem than elsewhere in the developed world, that is a fact, I dont see what you're trying to say here.

No that Utta Stupid Cow Sarah 'Reload' Palin
has gone on TV and spoken in a way that has starting another War.

The Man that did the Murder
is mental,
but in his mind is Freak Palin telling him to Reload and Shoot.

America in the future - if ever Palin gets control as President
then they will be nuked.

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Originally Posted by MojoNixon (Post 4045052)

Didn't you suppose to hunt him down? I remember when it did happen, you were telling us that you will go out and take him down? Brave little boy...

Yes at the Time
I wanted to watch from the SkyNewsHD Copter
as the police kill him.

He Crossed the Line
like this Mental Yank did

BBC News: "Ms Palin, a possible 2012 presidential runner, hit out at commentators' "irresponsible statements" laying "blame for this terrible event".

Hang on, she is accusing the commentators of being irresponsible? And her telling her supporters to "reload", putting a target sight over this particular district and telling voters that she "has found the target, you find the solution", that isnt irresponsible in her eyes?

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4049674)

There is no evidence the crosshairs in her ad were that of a gun. They could have been the crosshairs like on a periscope on a submarine. Why do people automatically assume they were crosshairs of a gun?

Why are Brits so Obsessed with Guns?

There;s more coverage of this Arizona congresswoman in the british press than there was when yur own British MP last year faced an attempted assination attempt.

There were plenty of gun rampages of yur own in britain recently.

Brits seem to have short memories.

"Why are Brits so Obsessed with Guns?"

we Ain't
Single Young Yank Men are.

The last one was Mental, as well.

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4049991)

Why would they be the crosshairs of a submarine? The crosshairs were used to "target" those seats she was hoping the Tea Party could win I believe, crosshairs are always associated with guns

What was the case of a British MP having an attempt made on their life, remind me

There havent been "plenty" there's been two, and people havent forgotten them but this shooting in the US is current, Derrick Bird & Raul Moat are not. There was a huge amount of media interest in the two events when they were happening though. These instances are far more common in the States and the fact that it may have been politically motivated is what makes it of such interest

The latest evidence is that it wasn't politically motivated at all, but that in fact, he was just seriously crazy.

Can't blame sarah palin, can't blame obama... only one to blame in this case seems to be his parents that didn't get him the help he needed.

But of course the 24/hr. News stations need something to talk about, so they make EVERYTHING POLITICAL.

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 4050062)

"Why are Brits so Obsessed with Guns?"

we Ain't
Single Young Yank Men are.

The last one was Mental, as well.

I'm a "single young yank man" and i can assure you, we arn't.

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4050083)

I'm a "single young yank man" and i can assure you, we arn't.

"We"

How in the blue hell
can you speak for the Whole Of America.

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 4050597)

"We"

How in the blue hell
can you speak for the Whole Of America.

i can't but i can speak as an individual in the group you narrowly identified. I certainly have more of a right to speak on this than YOU do.

no?

here's a clue, if you wanna know what's going on in america, maybe you should try asking an American, and not just believing what you hear on yur state funded media. Just an idea.

I have worked in America.

I have many Contacts in America.

And CNN , ABCNews and FoxNews
have all said to many Young Males with guns
are America's problem.

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 4050660)

I have worked in America.

I have many Contacts in America.

And CNN , ABCNews and FoxNews
have all said to many Young Males with guns
are America's problem.

Fox news said that? now i know yur making s*** up.

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4050609)

Hypocritical BS from an American who comes onto a British forum to slag off the Brits and our culture and way of life - if you can't take it love, don't dish it out. It's not our fault you're American:pat: Just learn to live with it.

And as regards your democracy - at least we don't shoot our politicians yet:hugesmile:

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 4050069)

What was the case of a British MP having an attempt made on their life, remind me

Thank you for proving my point. lol

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rontation.html

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 4055036)

This is a British Forum About BIG BROTHER<. not About Politics.

Yea, you don't shoot yur politicians, you just buy them fancy duck ponds, and then STAB THEM.

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4058912)

This is a British Forum About BIG BROTHER<. not About Politics.

Yea, you don't shoot yur politicians, you just buy them fancy duck ponds, and then STAB THEM.

Yes it is a forum about Big Brother, however this particular sub-section is about News Stories, funny old thing that.

You dont mind if we discuss news stories in the "news stories" section do you?

As for the MP's duck ponds and stabbings, I think you have things just a little mixed up.

Keep taking the tablets.

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4058905)

Thank you for proving my point. lol

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...rontation.html

Yes he was a Evil New Labour MP
at that time.

New Labour started with Evil War Criminal Blair
who joined up with Evil War Criminal GW Bush - he in the the one that Carpet Bombed Iraq.

Thank You Lostalex for connecting the Problem
that Your Nation Started.

9/11 had Feck All to do with Iraq.

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 4063957)

My nation started it? No, i think you'll find that it was YOUR nation that started all the problems in the middle east by drawing up insane borders during your "colonial" period of history. Such a shame they arn't teaching your true history in schools there. America didn't fvvck up the middle east, European colonialism did.

READ A BOOK.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13742144

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US Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords has released the first pictures of herself since she was shot in the head in January.

Two pictures appeared on her Facebook page.

Ms Giffords, 41, was seriously injured during a shooting spree by a gunman in Tucson, Arizona, that killed six people and wounded 13 others.

She is being treated at a clinic in Houston, Texas. Doctors say she has been recovering well.

In an interview with The Arizona Republic published on Thursday, Ms Giffords' Chief of Staff Pia Carusone said she still had only limited speaking ability.

But Ms Carusone told the Associated Press news agency on Saturday that she could be released from the rehabilitation clinic in the coming weeks.

In one of the pictures released on Sunday, Ms Giffords is smiling at the camera.

In the other, she is sitting with a woman. Both photographs were taken on 17 May, the accompanying text says.

Many well-wishers left messages on the page, including: "Gabby, you look wonderful! Keep up the fight to get well."

The shooting happened on 8 January near Tucson, Arizona, outside a supermarket where Ms Giffords was meeting constituents.

Since then, the only time the public has been able to get a glimpse of her was in April, when footage showed her from a distance boarding a plane to watch her husband, space shuttle astronaut Mark Kelly, launch into space in Florida.

A suspect, Jared Lee Loughner, has been arrested and accused of carrying out the shooting. He has pleaded not guilty.

glad to see she's recovered :o amazing really.

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Jared Loughner sat looking relaxed and attentive in a packed courtroom as he pleaded guilty to a deadly shooting rampage in an agreement with prosecutors that will send him to prison for life. He even cracked a smile when a court-appointed psychologist talked about the special bond that he formed with a prison guard.

His hair closely cropped, Loughner was not the smiling, bald-headed suspect captured in a mug shot soon after the January 2011 shooting. Six people had died and 13 others were wounded, including his intended target, then-Rep. Gabrielle Giffords.

He was not the man who rocked back and forth in court in May 2011 before blurting out, "Thank you for the free kill. She died in front of me. Your cheesiness."

The changes in Loughner's behavior while being treated and medicated at a federal prison in Springfield, Mo., led a judge to declare the 23-year-old competent Tuesday. U.S. District Judge Larry Burns gave his blessings to a plea agreement that spares prosecutors and victims a potentially lengthy trial and appeal and allows Loughner to escape the death penalty.

The judge called Loughner "a different person in his appearance and his affect than the first time I laid eyes on him."

Loughner didn't talk to his attorneys or look around the courtroom during the two-hour hearing. He folded his arms in front of him and focused his gaze on the psychologist and judge as they did most of the talking.

His parents sat silently in the back row, but sobbed and embraced after their son left looking frail on his feet.

The prosecution and defense seemed eager to seal the agreement, a departure from previous marathon hearings. Judy Clarke, Loughner's lead attorney, gently guided him through a copy of the plea agreement on the table as the judge went through it. She declined to question the psychologist.

Loughner pleaded guilty to 19 counts, including attempted assassination of a member of Congress, murder and attempted murder of federal employees, and causing death and injury at a federally provided activity. As part of the agreement, the federal government dropped 30 other counts.

"I plead guilty," he said in a low voice after the judge read each charge.

The agreement calls for a sentence of seven consecutive life terms followed by 140 years in prison, according to federal officials. Loughner, who will be sentenced Nov. 15, is ineligible for parole.

The agreement provided some relief to many victims and their families who filled about half the courtroom, some shedding tears as the judge recited names of the victims. Ron Barber, a former Giffords staffer who was wounded in the attack and later won election to her seat when she stepped down, watched from the front row.

"I truly believe that justice was done today. It is important to me that this individual never again is in a position in which he can cause harm to anyone else," Barber said outside the courthouse.

Gifford also welcomed the deal, saying in a statement with her husband, Mark Kelly: "The pain and loss caused by the events of Jan. 8, 2011, are incalculable. Avoiding a trial will allow us - and we hope the whole Southern Arizona community - to continue with our recovery."

Giffords has undergone intensive therapy and made dramatic progress recovering from her brain injury, yet her movements and speech are still halting.

Susan Hileman, who was wounded in the attack, said nothing would return her life to what it was before and that she regretted Loughner didn't get treatment earlier. Hileman had taken 9-year-old Christina-Taylor Green to the Giffords event outside a supermarket, where the girl was killed in the shooting.

"This is so sad - a 23-year-old who's going to spend the rest of his life in a box. I feel empty. What I want, I can't have," she said. "This is closing the barn door after the horses left. This is too late."

Pietz, the court-appointed psychologist, testified that Loughner appeared to be a normal child and average student until he was 16, when a girlfriend broke up with him and a friend's father died. He was diagnosed with depression and landed at an alternative education program at Pima Community College his senior year after he showed up drunk for school one day.

He was enrolled at the Tucson college until September 2010, alarming his parents and friends with his increasingly erratic behavior, Pietz said. He became obsessed with the Constitution, wrote jumbled words on the chalkboard and a final exam, and yelled incoherently in class.

Loughner's parents told Pietz that their son once asked them if they heard voices. They worried that he would take his life.

Pietz recounted turning points in Loughner's recovery in prison: regular exercise; counseling sessions with three other inmates; and prison jobs rolling towels, T-shirts and socks, and stamping envelopes. He has been forcibly medicated for more than a year after being diagnosed with schizophrenia.

"He loves his jobs," she said.

Pietz said she found him competent in an April report, and added: "I think he's improved even more."

Clarke also avoided the death penalty for other high-profile clients, such as "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski and Eric Rudolph, who bombed abortion clinics in the late 1990s and Atlanta's Olympic park in 1996.

David Bruck, a close friend of Clarke since law school, said that it was a question whether Loughner could endure the stress of a trial. But, he said, the defense had no reason to challenge the finding.

"To say what someone else's mental capacity is always iffy. If the prosecution was still seeking the death penalty, the question of competency would have been raised by the defense," Bruck said.

No trial, which is good for the victims not to have to re-live it. Gun crime is terrible.....lazy laws.

330 million americans with an estimated 300 million guns in circulation, some of which fire 100 bullets a minute....this is main reason why american gun murders per capita are so much higher than the rest of the western world....the right to bare arms was written during a civil war centuries ago....those great men did not intend it that every american including the insane and the children should carry guns capable of shooting and killing 100 people in a minute.....

the amount of insane people is probably similar in any western democracy, the difference here is 1) vastly more guns in the USA per person and overall 2) certain news channels stoke up fear hate and prejudice , which clearly affects some young impressionable often borderline pscychotic people and 3) the US spends less per head on routing out and treating mental illness

However in defence of america, they do treat their soldiers far better than we do, we have only 1 military hospital they have over 1000 if you count the navy too

I would also add as much as I respect the NHS and think it is a beacon of hope for the world and neu bevan who built it is my greatest ever briton...However its become to political we arent allowed to criticize it....the fact is 1) the sheer number of freeloading burocrats in middle management are costing us billions and theyre also doing an awful job 2) The standard of nursing is ofetn appallling. There have been tens of thousands of horrifying complaints of major neglect in tragic situations. yet we as a people and politicians are simply not allowed to questions nurses. why? our hospitals are 70 times mor elikely to pick up bugs like mrsa than norway and sweden. nurses forever claim theyre underpaid and over worked, I say this is often the opposite of the truth. cleaners clean the beds, not nurses, the computers do nearly all the filing by itself, porters move patients, others bring the food, all the specialists operate on them, so what do nurses actually do for their £25000 to £45000+ all thats really left to do is hand out the medicine and change the sheets after the patient leaves the room, I would also say the fact were not allowed to criticize bad nurses means the good nurses have to carry the extra worlkload. From my time in hospital beds, Ive gone days without even speaking to a nurse, theyre nealry always out of sight talking amongst themselves about their social lives or often about some self pity about how underpaid they are.

back to guns

americans, please dont be so sensitive here. I like the americans generally, I admire their energy, the ambition, their joi de vivre.....they helped us big time in world war 2, they give more to charities than any nation on earth, when theres a disaster they send more help than anyone.....theyve voted a black man from a very average background to president.....whereas Uk has gone backwards and become more eilitist,,,,

the gap between rich and poor is bigger than ever in both nations, which is a disgrace

other than the dreadful class system in the Uk, the truth is were not that much different , apart from gun laws and the nhs....Obama has closed the gap with the healthcare bill and I hope it sticks....healthcare should be free for those who cant afford it

IF the US could find the stomach for a really proper analysis and debate on gun laws, they may actually come to a bipartisan view that guns are the main reason gun murders are so much higher in the US

tighten up the laws massively....300 million guns lying around is just insanity

this and the healthcare bill is all the socialism the US needs, the rest is all good, free market but regulate the corrupt corporate giants, encourage small to medium businesses, try to simplify the structure of local government (our local councils are so disastrous theyre beyond saving, youre system is newer and can still be moulded)

Im a brit, but I still believe in the american dream