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Zippy 10-03-2011 11:16 PM

enough with this downer crap. I think people who hate their country usually hate themselves and then project. Ive never gotten that impression when travelling abroad. We are viewed as being too close to America by Europeans but I think even then they can see why with the language and cultural similarities. But they don't see us as being truly loyal to europe. Which we're not tbf.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2lwq0dc.jpg

Benjamin 10-03-2011 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4155511)
enough with this downer crap. I think people who hate their country usually hate themselves and then project. Ive never gotten that impression when travelling abroad. We are viewed as being too close to America by Europeans but I think even then they can see why with the language and cultural similarities. But they don't see us as being truly loyal to europe. Which we're not tbf.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2lwq0dc.jpg

There is a difference between being seen as popular and seen as a cowardly nation though.

I think our ties with the USA don't help that matter as even some English people believe we are their lapdog sometimes.

Mystic Mock 10-03-2011 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4155511)
enough with this downer crap. I think people who hate their country usually hate themselves and then project. Ive never gotten that impression when travelling abroad. We are viewed as being too close to America by Europeans but I think even then they can see why with the language and cultural similarities. But they don't see us as being truly loyal to europe. Which we're not tbf.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2lwq0dc.jpg

but germany had hitler.:joker:

Zippy 10-03-2011 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 4155517)
but germany had hitler.:joker:

John Galliano has made Hitler cool again.

InOne 10-03-2011 11:28 PM

I still don't think England is what it was. Whatever we have/had, it's still gradually fading. I dread to think what it will be like in 30 years.

Mystic Mock 10-03-2011 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4155532)
I still don't think England is what it was. Whatever we have/had, it's still gradually fading. I dread to think what it will be like in 30 years.

same here,as im scared.:sad:

Zippy 10-03-2011 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne (Post 4155532)
I still don't think England is what it was. Whatever we have/had, it's still gradually fading. I dread to think what it will be like in 30 years.

no country is what it was. People will still hold on to the same perceptions of us just like we've held the same perceptions of the French and Germans for centuries.

Germany have been castrated military wise since the 2nd world war. France likewise are no longer viewed as a military force because they got pussywhipped in the 2nd world war. At least we still have our military record to be proud of and we aint gonna lose a war anytime soon.

Economically I seriously doubt foreigners keep check of our GDP and then adjust their opinions of us accordingly. So really, our general perceptions of different nationalities is set in stone. We will always like the yanks and the French will always dislike us etc etc. These things never change.

arista 11-03-2011 07:46 AM

"Yanks and the French "


No I hate them both.

joeysteele 11-03-2011 09:03 AM

I don't necessarily think the UK as a whole is a weaker Nation but it is and should be a changing Nation.

It's time to realise we don't have an empire anymore,that the Commonwealth that wasa strong part of our identity has all bit gone now too,however as a Nation we can still be influential as long as we stop poking our noses into other Countries as if we were rulers of the World and carried on sorting out our own identity and status now in the modern World.

Within our Country we are worst served not by the population as a whole but by extremely bad politicians,the worst of whom seem to get the most influence and power in politics.
Having said that,as a multi cultural Nation full of diversity and also the means of great success we can still have a very important voice and role in the World,as long we now realise that we cannot go it alone now and that we have to become team players in the modern World. Hopefully our politicians will realise that eventually.

The Great that should be still in Great Britain should now mean the greatness of a bit more humility and learning from other Nations.
Look at the chaos Germany had,it had all the re-unification of 20 years ago,the massive costs and financial chaos that caused them, its history steeped in defeat in the 20th century,it too badly suffered under the recent global recession it is now though a strong example of what good politicians and determination can do for a Nation.

If we start to look at Countries like them and learn too then the UK can and will remain a strong Nation but with much greater respect than it has now from some parts of the World.

lostalex 11-03-2011 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4155511)
enough with this downer crap. I think people who hate their country usually hate themselves and then project. Ive never gotten that impression when travelling abroad. We are viewed as being too close to America by Europeans but I think even then they can see why with the language and cultural similarities. But they don't see us as being truly loyal to europe. Which we're not tbf.

http://i51.tinypic.com/2lwq0dc.jpg


hmmm, so asking the opinion from people in 16 countries, means it represents the whole world?

Remind me again how many countries in the world there are? So asking only 16? hmmm. a bit of a dodgy poll don't you think. Also this poll was taken by the BBC. A British Government funded media company. I think they might have a dog in the fight. Not exactly unbiased is it?

Benjamin 11-03-2011 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4156757)
hmmm, so asking the opinion from people in 16 countries, means it represents the whole world?

Remind me again how many countries in the world there are? So asking only 16? hmmm. a bit of a dodgy poll don't you think. Also this poll was taken by the BBC. A British Government funded media company. I think they might have a dog in the fight. Not exactly unbiased is it?

They didn't ask 16 countries, they asked for opinions ON the 16 countries.

Shasown 12-03-2011 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4156757)
hmmm, so asking the opinion from people in 16 countries, means it represents the whole world?

Remind me again how many countries in the world there are? So asking only 16? hmmm. a bit of a dodgy poll don't you think. Also this poll was taken by the BBC. A British Government funded media company. I think they might have a dog in the fight. Not exactly unbiased is it?

You obviously know very little about the BBC then!

Angus 12-03-2011 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4155525)
John Galliano has made Hitler cool again.

When was Hitler ever "cool" except to the terminally moronic and braindead creeps that crawled up his arse 70 odd years ago????

I would seriously question the mentality of anyone who has been influenced by the talentless little gob****e that is Galliano to think that Hitler is "cool"........... "again".:bored:

Zippy 13-03-2011 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 4157318)
When was Hitler ever "cool" except to the terminally moronic and braindead creeps that crawled up his arse 70 odd years ago????

I would seriously question the mentality of anyone who has been influenced by the talentless little gob****e that is Galliano to think that Hitler is "cool"........... "again".:bored:

LOL @ you taking that comment seriously! :laugh3:

Niall 13-03-2011 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4158151)
LOL @ you taking that comment seriously! :laugh3:

This. :joker::joker::joker::joker:

letmein 14-03-2011 04:09 AM

LMAO!

A whole portion of the British army was captured in Libya. It's one of the most embarrassing moments for the UK in modern years.

letmein 14-03-2011 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4156757)
hmmm, so asking the opinion from people in 16 countries, means it represents the whole world?

Remind me again how many countries in the world there are? So asking only 16? hmmm. a bit of a dodgy poll don't you think. Also this poll was taken by the BBC. A British Government funded media company. I think they might have a dog in the fight. Not exactly unbiased is it?

The BBC is not funded by the government.

Pyramid* 14-03-2011 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4156757)
hmmm, so asking the opinion from people in 16 countries, means it represents the whole world?

Remind me again how many countries in the world there are? So asking only 16? hmmm. a bit of a dodgy poll don't you think. Also this poll was taken by the BBC. A British Government funded media company. I think they might have a dog in the fight. Not exactly unbiased is it?

PSML..... The BBC is a British Government funded media company -really ?!!:laugh3:

When are you going to stop making a complete fool of yourself? In fact, keep it up, it's highly amusing!

Pyramid* 14-03-2011 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by letmein (Post 4158919)
LMAO!

A whole portion of the British army was captured in Libya. It's one of the most embarrassing moments for the UK in modern years.

Sssshhh...... I won't shout Vietnam too loudly

arista 14-03-2011 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 4156757)
Also this poll was taken by the BBC. A British Government funded media company. I think they might have a dog in the fight. Not exactly unbiased is it?


Losta you need to travel
you have so much wrong data.


You are not a normal Yank.

Angus 14-03-2011 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4158151)
LOL @ you taking that comment seriously! :laugh3:

Why bother posting in a Serious Debates forum then? I suspect, in that case, that nothing you have to say is intended seriously or is of any import, and is just mere attention seeking BS:rolleyes:

Angus 14-03-2011 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 4158930)
Losta you need to travel
you have so much wrong data.


You are not a normal Yank.

Be careful Arista! I was infracted for daring to suggest that provincials have no perspective on issues or realistic opinions about the world around them. Apparently such an obvious truth is considered an insult.

Zippy 14-03-2011 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 4158938)
Why bother posting in a Serious Debates forum then? I suspect, in that case, that nothing you have to say is intended seriously or is of any import, and is just mere attention seeking BS:rolleyes:

Oh ffs lighten up. You really need to yank that stick out your ass.

I contribute to this forum plenty when I have an opinion. Doesn't mean I can't throw in the odd flippant remark. I certainly don't need your permission.

not my fault you're so anal you can't read an obvious joke!

Angus 14-03-2011 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Zippy (Post 4158954)
Oh ffs lighten up. You really need to yank that stick out your ass.

I contribute to this forum plenty when I have an opinion. Doesn't mean I can't throw in the odd flippant remark. I certainly don't need your permission.

not my fault you're so anal you can't read an obvious joke!

And it's not my fault for mistaking a serious debates thread as one where people are going to debate seriously - except those of course out to get some attention with inappropriate flippancy.

Zippy 14-03-2011 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by angus58 (Post 4158957)
And it's not my fault for mistaking a serious debates thread as one where people are going to debate seriously - except those of course out to get some attention with inappropriate flippancy.

if anybody sucks up attention in this forum its definitely YOU!

and you need to sharpen your reading, comprehension and perception skills.


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