Yes it was - so you're trying to say BB10 or BB11 were more talked about and hyped up?

Because they were not, at all.

I don't really know why people always think of Sally as a Z-Lister just because she isn't really famous in BB-circles. She's well known in the political world and it was her going in the house that actually made broadsheets interested in the show, even had them talking about it on Newsnight where they were pretty much only focusing on her

How come you've only named those two? You said since 2006. I get where you're coming from. You're such a mad fan of this show that you want to believe it's getting big again but it's not. Ratings are cold, solid facts right in front of your eyes in black and white whereas the buzz about the series is very much a question of perception, who you know, and what sites you frequent.

The last Celebrity series was much more talked about from my experience. A lot of people who worked in TV and the press admitted that they actually started watching it again. It was full of all these watercooler moments that got people tuning in. And the ratings reflected it. Over a million more people watched the show - of course it was a bigger deal. I don't buy Channel 5 being used as an excuse for falling ratings. People know how to switch channels.

It just transpires that not everyone exists in your bubble that thinks the nation is tuning in to see two cheese brained twins take baths together. Sure it got some people talking but it wasn't at all reflected in the ratings despite the hype. That's one thing I'll give you. It was one of the most hyped series in years but than of course it was. It was a fresh restart on another channel. Hype is what happens before the show starts.

Yes fair point, look I'm not saying this series was massive and global and stuff but you can surely admitt it's been bigger than bigger than BB8-BB11, right?

I thought it was a great series.

I have every hope in C5, Live feed would be the icing on the cake.