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tweetypiebabe1 30-09-2011 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4609474)
I think it is up to the viewer to decide on whether they judge a person on the show - or not, and how they chose to do so.

Far as I'm aware, these people enter into the goldfish bowl that is the BB house of their own volition, they aren't forced into it, so your 'he who lives in a glass house etc', is completely invalid. 100%.

Housemates know what they are letting themselves in for. They feel the price they will pay either way is worth it to get on the show. That may change after they experience it - but hey: they put themselves in that position.
When entering the house do they open up themselves to public opinion? Yes. Should it be a judgment per say? No. Why? Because we don't know every minute detail of their being.
Do the public have a right to form opinions of the housemates based on what is being presented? Yes. But I don't necessarily think it's a judgement. I think that's the wrong term. I think when you base an opinion, on a rocky foundation, ie not having all the facts, then that's a judgement but if it's displayed plain as day then it's not. I could be talking s***, I could've completely lost the plot on what the definition of judgement is as, I probably am and I probably have because at this point I've gotten so lost in this conversation I have no idea what the point is anymore.

I think people need to watch the way they 'judge' a person or a situation because 1. they do it in a distasteful manner that is highly uncalled for and 2. the same situation can be or could've happened in their life so yes, the 'glass house' saying does apply, in my opinion.




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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4609494)
I judge by what I see, on the H.L show, which is all I can do. If I see Faye mentioning Aaron's son to justify her childishness, I judge her to be out of order, if I see Jay and Mark w***ing off in the bedroom, I judge them to be t*ssers, in every way, if I see Harry lose it because he was the only one called into the diary room after some messing about that went to far, I judge him to be justified.....................................
Like I said, I don't think 'judge' is the right word so you missed my point and I also don't think Faye mentioned Aaron's son as a way to justify her childishness. She did it out of anger, in my opinion.

And it was Jay who lost it not Harry, Harry went in the diary room to apologise about how he reacted, from what I saw.

I just personally think, which may very well be wrong, if you know the facts, or events and circumstances are presented plain as day in front of you, then that's not necessarily a judgement. It's a matter of like and dislike, forming an opinion based on the facts. If you don't understand me then whatever cause this conversation has gone way beyond what the topic of this thread is actually about.

tweetypiebabe1 30-09-2011 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Deanjam (Post 4609181)
It isn't about how old she is. She has an emotional immaturity. I know teenagers who are very responsible and grounded. I also know people in their 50's who are the biggest kids you'll ever see.

The house may appear an easy life compared to real life, but contestants continually come out of there saying how small things were made to seem huge due to the compressed social environment they are living in. Also , by removing all responsibility from the contestants, the show encourages them to revert to a more childish mind-set. It's no surprise to see people over-reacting all the time.

Even more level-headed contestants like Harry occasionally get caught up in it.
People seem to forget that a lot.

Pyramid* 30-09-2011 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4609578)
When entering the house do they open up themselves to public opinion? Yes. Should it be a judgment per say? No. Why? Because we don't know every minute detail of their being.
Do the public have a right to form opinions of the housemates based on what is being presented? Yes. But I don't necessarily think it's a judgement. I think that's the wrong term. I think when you base an opinion, on a rocky foundation, ie not having all the facts, then that's a judgement but if it's displayed plain as day then it's not. I could be talking s***, I could've completely lost the plot on what the definition of judgement is as, I probably am and I probably have because at this point I've gotten so lost in this conversation I have no idea what the point is anymore.

I think people need to watch the way they 'judge' a person or a situation because 1. they do it in a distasteful manner that is highly uncalled for and 2. the same situation can be or could've happened in their life so yes, the 'glass house' saying does apply, in my opinion.






Like I said, I don't think 'judge' is the right word so you missed my point and I also don't think Faye mentioned Aaron's son as a way to justify her childishness. She did it out of anger, in my opinion.

And it was Jay who lost it not Harry, Harry went in the diary room to apologise about how he reacted, from what I saw.

I just personally think, which may very well be wrong, if you know the facts, or events and circumstances are presented plain as day in front of you, then that's not necessarily a judgement. It's a matter of like and dislike, forming an opinion based on the facts. If you don't understand me then whatever cause this conversation has gone way beyond what the topic of this thread is actually about.
completely disagree with everything you've said.

It's not up to you to advise or suggest how people perceive the housemates, and to what level and whether it is correct to judge them or not.

I'm happy to judge on what I hear and see. Was even happier doing so when we had live feed.

Bluerang1 30-09-2011 07:04 PM
Oh its ok if its Jedward though...

Ammi 30-09-2011 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4609578)
When entering the house do they open up themselves to public opinion? Yes. Should it be a judgment per say? No. Why? Because we don't know every minute detail of their being.
Do the public have a right to form opinions of the housemates based on what is being presented? Yes. But I don't necessarily think it's a judgement. I think that's the wrong term. I think when you base an opinion, on a rocky foundation, ie not having all the facts, then that's a judgement but if it's displayed plain as day then it's not. I could be talking s***, I could've completely lost the plot on what the definition of judgement is as, I probably am and I probably have because at this point I've gotten so lost in this conversation I have no idea what the point is anymore.

I think people need to watch the way they 'judge' a person or a situation because 1. they do it in a distasteful manner that is highly uncalled for and 2. the same situation can be or could've happened in their life so yes, the 'glass house' saying does apply, in my opinion.






Like I said, I don't think 'judge' is the right word so you missed my point and I also don't think Faye mentioned Aaron's son as a way to justify her childishness. She did it out of anger, in my opinion.

And it was Jay who lost it not Harry, Harry went in the diary room to apologise about how he reacted, from what I saw.

I just personally think, which may very well be wrong, if you know the facts, or events and circumstances are presented plain as day in front of you, then that's not necessarily a judgement. It's a matter of like and dislike, forming an opinion based on the facts. If you don't understand me then whatever cause this conversation has gone way beyond what the topic of this thread is actually about.
By that definition of judgement, I would have thought there is no rockier foundation than a H.L show, where our viewing has been selected. I judge what I see, not what might be....................

As you say, your opinion, mine is they were spiteful words, used to bite back at Aaron for kissing Maisy, punishment he did not deserve, imo, of course.

It was definately Harry who lost his temper over the bed tampering/water/ketchup/beans-gate, not my opinion, fact

fitz2k2 30-09-2011 07:27 PM
wrestlers dont cry oh wait nvm haha

InOne 30-09-2011 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by fitz2k2 (Post 4609690)
wrestlers dont cry oh wait nvm haha
Funny ha ha

Saph 30-09-2011 07:34 PM
20?!?! ..someone needs to stock up on their Olay ...:suspect:

InOne 30-09-2011 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SaphLiike (Post 4609707)
20?!?! ..someone needs to stock up on their Olay ...:suspect:
:cat:

Chuck 30-09-2011 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Bluerang1 (Post 4609617)
Oh its ok if its Jedward though...
:laugh:

Pyramid* 30-09-2011 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by fitz2k2 (Post 4609690)
wrestlers dont cry oh wait nvm haha
:D

Maybe they change when they're having to seriously vie for the attention..... ;)

Jake. 30-09-2011 08:28 PM
Aaron is 30 and should know better than to snog maisy then faye then masiy then etc

tweetypiebabe1 01-10-2011 12:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 4609680)
By that definition of judgement, I would have thought there is no rockier foundation than a H.L show, where our viewing has been selected. I judge what I see, not what might be....................

As you say, your opinion, mine is they were spiteful words, used to bite back at Aaron for kissing Maisy, punishment he did not deserve, imo, of course.

It was definately Harry who lost his temper over the bed tampering/water/ketchup/beans-gate, not my opinion, fact
Yea he did lose his temper but he wasn't called into the diary room to fix things wasn't that Jay like a week or two ago when they went crazy in the bedroom and put the mattress in pool? Harry just went into the diary room to cool off as far as I thought.

And I agree with you, they were spiteful words, said out of anger. If you read carefully you would see that I said that. Was it right to say? In that tone, at that moment possibly not but it's true, to an extent, that he should keep in mind how his son, most importantly, will perceive his bed hopping because I personally believe no child should witness their father kissing two girls & a boy in the space of a week and a bit.


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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4609593)
completely disagree with everything you've said.

It's not up to you to advise or suggest how people perceive the housemates, and to what level and whether it is correct to judge them or not.

I'm happy to judge on what I hear and see. Was even happier doing so when we had live feed.
And that's fine. It's the way the world works. We can't all be the same. And I would just like to point out that I was not advising or suggesting to anyone who they should perceive housemates. Like you, I was just stating my view on the whole situation. I'm not gonna change your mind anymore then you can change mine.

And I personally don't think anyone has the right to judge because a lot of s*** happens in life and everyone makes mistake and everyone has skeletons in their closest, but unfortunately it's human nature.

joeysteele 01-10-2011 12:04 AM
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Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 4609534)
Mentally unstable more like.:devil:
Sadly, I think there is some truth to your comment as regards Faye. Something's very wrong somewhere with her.

Ammi 01-10-2011 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4611256)
Yea he did lose his temper but he wasn't called into the diary room to fix things wasn't that Jay like a week or two ago when they went crazy in the bedroom and put the mattress in pool? Harry just went into the diary room to cool off as far as I thought.

And I agree with you, they were spiteful words, said out of anger. If you read carefully you would see that I said that. Was it right to say? In that tone, at that moment possibly not but it's true, to an extent, that he should keep in mind how his son, most importantly, will perceive his bed hopping because I personally believe no child should witness their father kissing two girls & a boy in the space of a week and a bit.




And that's fine. It's the way the world works. We can't all be the same. And I would just like to point out that I was not advising or suggesting to anyone who they should perceive housemates. Like you, I was just stating my view on the whole situation. I'm not gonna change your mind anymore then you can change mine.

And I personally don't think anyone has the right to judge because a lot of s*** happens in life and everyone makes mistake and everyone has skeletons in their closest, but unfortunately it's human nature.
I could state that Harry was in fact called into the diary room by BB. Later he went in, himself, to apologise, but originally he was called in, when he entered the bedroom with the beans....................

I could state that Faye's bringing Aaron's son into her justification for her behaviour, is a judgement in itself.......by inferring he is letting his son down by kissing Maisy....she said nothing when he kissed Tom, that apparently was ok and she has gone on to kiss him herself....so I presume that is ok. I presume the first and third kiss are fine with Faye, it seems to be the second kiss with Maisy that is causing the 'shame' with his family..........
As to 'bed hopping', it is true that two of the kisses were in the bed, but where they took place is irrelevant, they were still kisses and bed hopping implies something else entirely. As for two kisses (as it was at the time), with two different people in the space of a couple of weeks..................it is 2011, I doubt his family would find that shocking.

I agree with you on one point. none of us are perfect. However, I do feel to see what this has to do with anything. This is not a show of moral dilemma's, it is entertainment. Perhaps we should not form any opinions or judgements at all, but give them all the benefit of the doubt.......let's not evict anyone.

I'm not sure what you are trying to say or whether you are defending Faye or not...you have taken it so far off topic.....

Back to topic, I don't make any allowances for Faye's age. I don't make any judgements on the kisses. Faye's behaviour after Aaron's kiss with Maisy was spiteful and out of order and since she has now kissed Aaron herself, hypocritical...........in my opinion, of course.

Pyramid* 01-10-2011 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by tweetypiebabe1 (Post 4611256)


And that's fine. It's the way the world works. We can't all be the same. And I would just like to point out that I was not advising or suggesting to anyone who they should perceive housemates. Like you, I was just stating my view on the whole situation. I'm not gonna change your mind anymore then you can change mine.

And I personally don't think anyone has the right to judge because a lot of s*** happens in life and everyone makes mistake and everyone has skeletons in their closest, but unfortunately it's human nature.
As I say, regardless of skeletons in cupboards, If I want to judge someone who elects to go onto a tv show and have their behaviour monitored, recorded and played back to the nation - because they (in the majority of cases) have oversized egos and think they are something special and are out to jump on the celeb wannabee bandwagon - that's their choice - and as such, they are the ones who put themselves in the position of allowing the public to form an opinion /judgement on them.

You may not like that - but that is precisely the nature of the show. You say you were a former housemate: it comes across (to me) that you appear not to have handled well, any possible criticisms that may have come your own way. That's not a fact, that's very much my own opinion.

I note that you 'appear' to only have your own viewpoint when the hms are being criticised or discussed negatively as far as people judging the hms. Is it only that aspect that you don't like the judgements being made, and it's fine it the judgement is of a very positive variety?

BJ 01-10-2011 09:08 AM
Faye seems too self obsessed in my opinion. She always seems to turn it around to make herself centre of everything where she becomes the victim.

She saw herself as victim in both the "kissgate" incident and when she and others drank Heaven,s wine.

I can't decide whether she's a spoilt brat or has some deep emotional problems. Either way I think Aaron is not going to help himself by getting involved with her.

Pyramid* 01-10-2011 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BJ (Post 4611814)
Faye seems too self obsessed in my opinion. She always seems to turn it around to make herself centre of everything where she becomes the victim.

She saw herself as victim in both the "kissgate" incident and when she and others drank Heaven,s wine.

I can't decide whether she's a spoilt brat or has some deep emotional problems. Either way I think Aaron is not going to help himself by getting involved with her.

Spot on.

Kazanne 01-10-2011 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by jedward fever (Post 4608945)
She is 20 which means she should be able to cope with a relationship with Aaron better than she has been doing.

Seriously we need to get this creepy bunny boiler out as soon as shes up,and yes even over Anton and Tom as them two will make Aaron more popular unlike Faye who will destroy his popularity.
JF,you knock spots off most teenagers of your age,sadly you are in the minority.Faye imo,is VERY dangerous for Aaron,she disses him amongst her friends,then fawns around him when they are alone.

Pyramid* 01-10-2011 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by kazanne (Post 4611839)
JF,you knock spots off most teenagers of your age,sadly you are in the minority.Faye imo,is VERY dangerous for Aaron,she disses him amongst her friends,then fawns around him when they are alone.
Echo the sentiments about JF. Totally.

re Faye: the way she and Maisie were sitting ripping the arse out of him when they are sat at the pool whilst he was ringing out his clothes: shows how immature both of them are.

Maisy is being pretty sleekit as far as I can see. If Faye had any oomph about her - if she really DOES like Aaron, she'd have not accepted Maisy's slagging him off - nor enjoy joining in with it.

Far as I can see, Faye doesn't really want Aaron, but doesn't want any other female to have him either - and the only way she can do that is to do what she is doing - pretending she's interested in him.

Kazanne 01-10-2011 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Pyramid* (Post 4611846)
Echo the sentiments about JF. Totally.

re Faye: the way she and Maisie were sitting ripping the arse out of him when they are sat at the pool whilst he was ringing out his clothes: shows how immature both of them are.

Maisy is being pretty sleekit as far as I can see. If Faye had any oomph about her - if she really DOES like Aaron, she'd have not accepted Maisy's slagging him off - nor enjoy joining in with it.

Far as I can see, Faye doesn't really want Aaron, but doesn't want any other female to have him either - and the only way she can do that is to do what she is doing - pretending she's interested in him.
Yes Pyramid that little slagging session was real bitchy,he must have felt uncomfortable as he asked what they were laughing at,I truly think Aaron thinks she is an nice girl,how wrong can he be?


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